Would You Leave America?

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Yesterday, a friend informed me via e-mail that, upon her husband’s retirement from the US Postal Service next January, they will leave the United States to live — permanently — in South America’s Ecuador. As part of their move, they will leave behind their pet cat and a rabbit, the latter the only rabbit remaining from my friend’s now-closed bunny sanctuary.
My friend says their move is prompted by worries about finances in retirement. They have no children. Her husband, a mail carrier of 37 years since 1974, makes a salary of $55,530 a year — which is way more than the 2009 US average per capita income of $27,041, and $5000 more than the 2009 median US household income of $50,221. (You, too, can find out how much your mail carrier is paid by going HERE.)
It is, of course, assumed that although they’ll be living in Ecuador, my friend and hubby will receive his monthly pension checks from taxpayers back in the good ol’ U. S. of A.
My friend is not alone. Whatever data we have indicate that more and more Americans are leaving or planning to or thinking about emigrating from the U.S. homeland.
In his recent book Bad Money, political commentator Kevin Phillips warns that an unprecedented number of Americans, fed up with failed politics and a souring economy, have already departed for other countries, with even larger numbers planning to do so soon.
Exactly how many people are part of this trend is hard to say.
As early as July 2008, an article by Jay Tolson for US News and World Report claimed “a growing trend of leaving America” and that “By some estimates 3 million [US] citizens become expatriates a year, but most not for political reasons.” Pravda has an article dated January 2, 2009, with the title “More Aging Americans Leaving US“. The article, however, does not give figures.
Precise emigration (or out-migration) figures have never been easy to come by in the United States. “It’s been an implicit assumption that people come here to stay, not to come and go,” says Mike Hoefer, head of the Office of Immigration Statistics at the Department of Homeland Security. The government’s last trial effort to count Americans overseas, in 1999, was deemed inordinately expensive. Elizabeth Grieco, chief of immigration statistics at the U.S. Census Bureau, puts it bluntly: “We don’t count U.S. citizens living abroad.”
According to US News & World Report, although the US government is not counting, others are.
Estimates made by organizations such as the Association of Americans Resident Overseas put the number of nongovernment-employed Americans living abroad anywhere between 4 million and 7 million. Excluding households in which any member has been sent overseas either by the government or private companies, a series of 2008 Zogby polls commissioned by New Global Initiatives, a consulting firm, yielded surprising results:

  • 1.6 million U.S. households had already determined to relocate abroad.
  • Another 1.8 million households were seriously considering such a move.
  • 7.7 million more were “somewhat seriously” contemplating it.

More interesting, the biggest number of relocating households is not those with people in or approaching retirement but those with adults ranging from 25 to 34 years old.
My reaction to my friend’s and other Americans’ departure is appall. I was born in a British colony and so never had a country to call my own until the United States of America generously gifted me with citizenship. I will never leave America and, no matter how bad things get, will continue to fight for my country to take it back from the ba*tards. For if all good Americans leave, who will be left to fight for the country for whom our Founding Fathers had shed their blood and sacrificed their lives?
But that’s my opinion and my sentiments.

What would you do?


UPDATE (12.16.2011):
There’s a good article by Mike Adams, the editor of Natural News, on this subject. He writes: “One of the most common questions I’m asked today from people who are aware of what’s really going on is, ‘Should I leave the USA to get away from the coming police state?’ Three years ago, I would have said YES, but today, after having experienced such an effort myself and now having a clear understanding of the ramifications of such an effort, I must urge people to reconsider. As you’ll read here, you may ultimately be far safer and more successful living right where you are, in your ‘home country,’ even if that home country becomes a police state.
Click here for the rest of the article.
~Eowyn

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0 responses to “Would You Leave America?

  1. It has nothing to do with failed politics, its all about the cost of living.
    In Ecuador they can live comfortably, here in the US struggle just to get by.
    Its not just retirees thousands of hi tech workers are also leaving along with oil field & rig workers are also leaving since Obama shut down drilling.

     
    • My mom moved from Seattle area to Tucson for financial reasons. She lives on SS and husband’s pension. They couldn’t have survived in Seattle but do just fine in AZ. Plenty cheap places to live in the US.
      I would never leave her.

       
    • When people decide to move to Ecuador or any other Latin American country, they better be prepared and plan what they are going to do if there’s a coup. Revolutions can take place down there at the drop of a hat. Believe me.

       
  2. I’ve lived in Asia, Europe, and the U.S. I loved Asia and Europe, but there’s no place like home. That being said, I have family members who have left in order to find work. I can’t blame them.

     
  3. I have given this serious thought and have considered emigration in the event that a police state/tyranny is established… with the premise that it would be less oppressive elsewhere. Realistically, corruption of man-made governments seems to be the rule of history. I am reminded of those who have NOT fled to a place of refuge when forewarned. I think we would do well to be citizens in the Kingdom of Heaven,first, and ambassadors of the Good News. I have been preparing for most of my life…and warning others.I will abide here,in peace, if possible … but knowing that control is an illusion and that love is eternal.

     
    • If America turns into a police state, where would you go? The rest of the world is worse. American exceptionalism isn’t buncome; there’s a reason where everybody else came here.

       
      • with all due respect anon….bull!! that’s pure american ignorance talking. You bought into their propaganda…”there’s nowhere better in the world than the USA”. pure nonsense, that’s not just my opinion but every global and UN indicator says so. The USA consistently ranks as one of the worst places in the world based on education, life expectancy, health, living standardes etc.. etc… just about every major indicator including happiness. get on with your lives, wherever that may be or take you.

         
        • So do you live in the US? If so, why are you still here if it’s such a crappy place? And why are you vacationing in Jersey…why not France?

           
        • Perhaps you missed this post: America’s average poor American household has luxuries like air conditioning, cable TV, and X-box video game consoles. Bet there’s plenty of individuals in other countries that would be happy to just have a glass of clean water…
          https://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2011/07/19/average-poor-american-has-cable-tv-ac-car-and-eats-too-much/

           
          • DCG, I don’t deny life is good here compared to some other places. Don’t compare usa with cambodia. There are starving people by the hundreds of millions around the world and yes right here in the USA. It’s a great place if you’re rich, if you’re not, you could die in the streets like they are doing now.

             
            • It’s more than Cambodia where there are millions dying for a clean glass of water…
              And people dying in the streets here in the US? A little bit extreme. Haven’t seen any dead bodies lately.
              Most aren’t rich yet do survive. We have ample charities to help those that can’t feed themselves. No way are we going to let people die in the streets.
              You’re entitled to your opinion. I just get a little bothered when our girl gets bashed 🙂

               
        • Microserf, the “rest of the world” (go on a UN mission or just go overeas a lot) is riven with endemic corruption, “our turn” group politics and rule of law that only serves those two things (not to mention poverty that we haven’t even heard of for generations) and where a “right to healthcare” (basic healthcare, like emergency room) and a “right to eduaction” (8th Grade, like literacy) are aspirations. Check out Mexico. Why do all their people want to come here?

           
          • Of course, left/liberal types feel guilty because America has “too much” and want it to be like the rest of the world… except for themselves, their families and folk like them (they did their part enjoyably redistributing everyone else’s wealth for the common good and should get to live like royalty, in their minds).

             
            • anon, I don’t take what anyone says as fact. I did do what you said and took 7 years travelling the world to check out the state of affairs myself, have you? I have seen the world and its peoples. USA is not the best place to live by far, it’s one of the best for sure, but you guys are comparing it to almost third world countries, where does it stand in comparison to switzerland, sweden, norway, denmark, canada, australia, new zealand luxembourg etc etc…. not very high. As far as health care goes as you mentioned , you might want to look into that some more, because on this topic I know what I’m talking about.

               
              • Dear micro:
                When exactly did you hijack this post from a query about “Would You Leave America?” to a debate on whether the USA is the best country in the world? The latter is what you plunked on my post. Please point to where exactly in my post had I asserted that America is better than any country on Earth? What I did say is that I love America because it conferred citizenship on me, a previously country-less and penniless girl. I’m truly sorry for you that you don’t.

                 
                • well, I apologize for going off on a tangent, don’t know how I got steered that way, all is good and differing opinions is what leads to discussion, which leads to understanding compromise and change. o.k. off to the pool now with the kids, which are my real priority and why I care and get angry at the state of affairs, cheers Eowyn and FOTM

                   
    • Dan…Awesome. Your insight and faith are inspiring. My thought on that quiz was, “even if I had the money, where would I go?” If there’s any place not yet ruined, I can’t think of it. But to stand and spread the Good News and after all – to stand, what a cool thought. (And Paul’s goal.) We had an opportunity to leave just my home area to move to fly-over country. When it came time, we had some real need to stay here, but not so much that I can say, perfectly, “THAT’S why we stayed.” No, we stayed here, the city destitute, its will nearly broken, the heartbreak and hopelessness almost palpable, but here’s where we live, here’s where we know. I guess our next major move will be the Rapture, eh? 😉
      And all of you who talk about taking American money to supply other countries’ wealth, I never thought of it that way before! Never. I’m glad I voted the way I did. America is mine, where else do I belong? Nowhere. And God can use me here. I find myself being adamant about talking to folks about the End, the need to get right w/ God, being prayed up. I NEVER thought I’d EVER have the guts to open my mouth, but when the signs are so clear, a body MUST speak! But hey, I don’t push it on anybody and more often than not, find THEM talking about it before I bring it up! So for the folks here, cringing at the thought of another Bible thumper preaching AT them, no, I’m not that way – I’m surprised I’m talking at all! :))

       
  4. Look after yourself and your families. What has the gov. done for you? Have they protected your jobs and finances? They laugh at your gullability daily. The president is cruising America in a 1.5 million $ bus built and bought in Canada. I’m in south Jersey on vacation with my family for 2 weeks. The people seem desperate, the towns appear dangerous, dirty and desperate. Do what you need to take care of yourselves and don’t be swayed by the patriotism angle. If the gov’t were as patriotic to its citizens as the citizens are to their country and gov’t we wouldn’t have this mess.
    p.s. look up my old posts, I called this most recent collapse and the impending total collapse a while back

     
    • I believe it too Steve, if I didn’t I would care less about the politics, economy, etc… I do. The fact I am even checking this blog from time to time, shows I care, and am involved in various activities getting people involved in politics to take back what has been hijacked by corrupt politicians .

       
  5. I left over 5 years ago and live in Asia. I’m considering coming back as my retirement is becoming worthless through a weakening dollar and inflation.
    I fully expect the continued quantitative easing by the Feds over the next several years will devalue the dollar even further. When I first arrived, the exchange rate was 56:1, and has plummeted to 42:1. I have lost 25% of the value of my retirement (not including inflation) over the last 3 years, and its getting worse by the month. As the exchange rate has plummeted, the cost of local goods have gone up substantially.
    I’m considering returning to purchase a foreclosed property. With interest rates currently low, knowing that my monthly “rent” payment will remain fixed over the next 30 years give me security in knowing my retirement will at least cover a roof over my head.
    Anyone looking to pick up and relocate overseas needs to consider foreign exchange rates and what is happening to the value of the dollar. There are tons of other things to consider, but your ability to cover your current and future monthly cost of living should be your first consideration.
    Bottom line… DO YOUR HOMEWORK.

     
  6. I believe a person has the right to retire and live any place in the world he wants to. I have spent quite awhile in Europe and lived in Peru for over a year. There are nice places in South America to live, but there is much political unrest there. The rich are fabulously rich and the poor are unbelievably poor. I don’t know how it will be under Obamacare, but I prefer the medical care in the USA. I don’t trust foreign doctors, especially European doctors. I prefer to retire in the USA.

     
  7. What makes you think a coup could not happen here?

     
  8. Here I sit, in a country farm house in central corn country, in my family for now 4 generations. This side has roots here since at least the 1600s. I am a native Austinite on my first vacation from my secure lower middle class employment, in which I’ve maxed out the pay rate in less than 2 years from hard work and dedication. I was a good student who only fell into drugs and the world (rave scene, back when there was one here) after being kicked out of school for piercing my eyebrow. Oftentimes I have blamed others for not preparing me with the knowledge I needed to succeed in this world, but people like Obama (wonderfully critiqued by my explorations here) have helped me realize this is simply all of our fate in this fallen world. So I never had a senior year of high school, but I have aced the trade schools I finally made it too. And I struggle each day, as everyone does, whether aware or not, to not live in the past. We don’t choose who we are, but every sane person comes up against reality at some point, and there is the Kairos moment. I have read many blogs before, but never spent as much time on one as I just did here.
    As I long for a return to small town values and a community which cares for itself, I find myself in disdain toward technology, and even the very time in which I exist. However life is a learning curve, and slowly I realize more of Yahweh’s intentions. Making people available (like real missionaries warring for Yeshua) to answer a question for little ol’ me, even though my ‘friends’ from HS won’t even return a FB message. Weird spacetime we live in dudes.
    I am a full time single father trying to raise my son in this place. Having eyes to see can sometimes seem like a curse, at least against my mental health. Being aware of the deceiver’s influence can be incredibly draining, especially when combatting the world ay every

     
    • Preacher T,
      Your erstwhile friends from HS won’t return a FB message, but you are welcome here, where you are among friends. May God help you, a single father, in raising your son.
      ~Eowyn
      Founder of Fellowship of the Minds

       
    • I also yearn for a fullsize micro-USB qwerty for android. Also, do you get a permanent username at the main wordpress site or do this manually each time? Confangled interwebs.
      My rambling point is a big Howdy and if you leave this country please do not come back. We need to start with our households: self-sustainability away from currency. Focus on Messiah Yeshua and the Torah. Missional supremecy of the Great Commission. Everything else is just deception. Surround your house with guns and fight spiritual warefare. If we are spotless He will be able to use us to grow the Kingdom. Then it turns into farms, small communities, towns and cities. Take them back with (spiritual and physical) force. At some point our small circles start overlapping and we join forces to take this country back. Even if they win a large chunk of it (perhaps everything but Texas), we can succeed from their way of life and have our country again. Or perhaps I need to move to Israel but that defeats the point. But I guess that would be the only place I’d move outside Texas or at least the country, but I have a hard time resting and being sure of the Word, so it will be awhile before I’m sure he’s calling me home. But I’m hoping for my son’s sake we get this country back and have another 20 years so I can finish raising him.

       
  9. Microserf, again, you have missed the point! This isn’t about money – whether or not you would leave the United States of America! This entire issue is about principle, about values, about loyalty to America in spite of difficult and horrible times! Where is loyalty, fidelity, unselfishness and patriotism? What you say and your orientation is sickening!

     
  10. Harvey Jefferson

    America is more than a place, it’s and ideal. If you knew for sure your children and or parents and yourselves were in mortal danger…you would leave. You don’t need a lot of money to leave. Many leave who are on fixed incomes. And you need courage. The America we grew up in and loved is over. Perhpas it is time to share it with the rest of the world….Our country has been going down for a long long time. We have become asleep as a people…We go from right to left like a pendulum clock. We don’t research our candidates. Monsanto owns our poison food. We have 178 Nuclear Power plants here all aging and no money to decommision them or fix them. We are a Fukishima x 1 million waiting to happen every day. There are wonderful people all over the world. In many parts of South America are thousands of Americans who left, Europeans who left Europe during Hilter and raised their families there. If you are healthy, and well fed and happy you can fight for America where ever you are. We have chosen to elave and my husband’s family helped founded this country…We have soiled the American Dream. Americans are not spiritually, mentally or physically equipped to save this country. God Help Us All. Leave while you can….Surely martial law will be implemented in the next 2 years.

     
  11. There’s a good article by Mike Adams, the editor of Natural News, on this subject. He writes: “One of the most common questions I’m asked today from people who are aware of what’s really going on is, ‘Should I leave the USA to get away from the coming police state?’ Three years ago, I would have said YES, but today, after having experienced such an effort myself and now having a clear understanding of the ramifications of such an effort, I must urge people to reconsider. As you’ll read here, you may ultimately be far safer and more successful living right where you are, in your ‘home country,’ even if that home country becomes a police state.”
    Adams’ main point: There’s corruption everywhere, and most places are worse than the United States.
    http://www.naturalnews.com/034404_preppers_collapse_bugging_out.html

     

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