Why no Red Flag law enforcement? Mercy Hospital shooter allowed to purchase gun despite previously threatening to shoot up fire academy

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Last Monday a shooter went to Mercy Hospital in Chicago and killed his ex-fiancé, a pharmacy resident and a Chicago police officer. He shot himself yet was killed by a police bullet. The shooter wanted a ring back from his ex-fiancé, which led to this tragic incident.

Read about the whole incident here.

Of course without knowing all the details about the shooter, the gun grabbers blamed the NRA, Dana Loesch and lack of gun control.

Let’s take a look at the details we now know, shall we?

According to the Chicago Tribune, the shooter had a troubled history, particularly with women. From their report:

Five years ago, the shooter had threatened to shoot up the Chicago Fire Department Academy, around the time he was fired for failing to show up to work while facing allegations of “improper conduct” toward women there.”

According to a spokesman for the Chicago Fire Department, the shooter was accused of aggressive and improper conduct toward females at the academy and he did not successfully complete his training and was terminated before he finished the academy. No one at the Academy ever reported the threat made to shoot up the Academy to the police.

In 2014, his ex-wife obtained a temporary order of protection against him, alleging that he slept with a pistol under his pillow and had pointed a gun at someone.

Police had advised his ex-wife on how to get a protective order. Police did not investigate further (after the shooter sent his ex-wife harassing texts) nor did they seek out the shooter. The police had “limited probable cause” to pursue the matter.

More details included in that temporary order of protection from Chicago Tribune:

The shooter had twice “pulled out his gun with intent to harm” people when he felt threatened or startled in the prior weeks. In the first instance, he pointed a gun at a real estate agent who arrived at his apartment after forgetting that he had scheduled an appointment to show the home. In another incident, the shooter “felt threatened by a neighbor and ran outside with his gun to look for him,” according to the court records.

The order signed by a judge that day included a demand that Lopez “should be ordered to surrender any and all firearms to the local law enforcement agency.” The order of protection was in effect just over two weeks. A judge dismissed it Dec. 17.”

Despite the two incidents above (threat to shoot up the Academy and temporary protective order), the shooter was licensed to carry a concealed weapon. It was unclear whether the shooter’s alleged past conduct had ever led to any review or temporary revocation of his permission to own or carry a gun.

The shooter was able to obtain an FOID card and a concealed carry permit in 2016. Chicago Police reviewed his application and were unaware of the dismissed protective order. Since the protective order was dismissed, the police could not have denied the shooter a license to carry.

One final note from the Chicago Tribune report: “It was unclear whether Lopez’s legal ability to own or carry a gun was ever challenged or revoked. Officials from the Illinois State Police, the agency responsible for issuing those credentials, declined to comment.”

As defenders of the Second Amendment, we are big fans of due process. From the looks of it, the shooter did not have any legal reason why he could not obtain an FOID license.

But what about the “Red Flag” law that is designed to confiscate firearms of a person deemed an immediate and present danger to themselves or others?

About the “Red Flag” law in Illinois (excerpts from 430 ILCS 65/1):

“Sec. 1. It is hereby declared as a matter of legislative determination that in order to promote and protect the health, safety and welfare of the public, it is necessary and in the public interest to provide a system of identifying persons who are not qualified to acquire or possess firearms, firearm ammunition, stun guns, and tasers within the State of Illinois by the establishment of a system of Firearm Owner’s Identification Cards, thereby establishing a practical and workable system by which law enforcement authorities will be afforded an opportunity to identify those persons who are prohibited by Section 24-3.1 of the Criminal Code of 2012, from acquiring or possessing firearms and firearm ammunition and who are prohibited by this Act from acquiring stun guns and tasers.”

The statute goes on to describe ways in which firearms can be confiscated from a person who communicates a serious threat or physical act of violence against a reasonably identifiable victim; or demonstrates a threatening physical or verbal behavior such as assaultive threats or actions. This can be determined by a law enforcement official, among other people.

Just how “workable” is this system?

The shooter had clearly communicated a serious threat of violence when he threatened to shoot up the Chicago Fire Department Academy. The shooter displayed assaultive actions when he pulled out his gun with intent to harm.

Why did no one report these incidents to the local police? Why did no one feel the need to initiate a proceeding to enforce the Red Flag law?

Gun grabbers want laws on the books to confiscate firearms of dangerous people. Yet are these laws intentionally designed to be useless? This Red Flag law is only enforceable IF someone takes action.

According to gun grabbers Everytown: “Red Flag Laws can save lives by creating a way for family members and law enforcement to act before warning signs escalate into tragedies.”

Key word here is “act.”

If no one acts on warning signs, then dangerous people cannot be stopped.

The cynical side of me believes the “Red Flag” law was designed with inherent flaws. Not everyone will “act” to prevent shootings.

And by the reasoning of gun grabbers, if gun control laws don’t work then shouldn’t the government – as the protector of public safety – confiscate all guns? After all, it would be much less messier to confiscate than nuke the “resisters.”

DCG

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6 responses to “Why no Red Flag law enforcement? Mercy Hospital shooter allowed to purchase gun despite previously threatening to shoot up fire academy

  1. What good are laws if they aren’t enforced?
    Chicago is a failed city, and Illinois a failed state.
    The families of Lopez’s three victims should sue the city.

     
  2. Kevin J Lankford

    Must create a real dilemma for the deep state, trying to create a history of irrational and threatening behavior of their fake or other wise controlled perpetrators , with social media manifest portraying derangement of mind and a documented record of violent behavior, and then not being able to explain away why they still are able to over come the “infringements” all ready place on our second amendment.

     
  3. Well, if the “authorities” in Illinois are giving individuals like this a permit to carry, what sort of chance does the average unarmed Chicagoan have…….?

     
  4. DCG, you did a great job presenting the facts when so little info initially available.

    It’s obvious this was a “Staged Event”, with many mistakes in the script.
    @6:34 Rahm E’s acting is disgusting. Pretending he cares by going silent till 6:53 ratcheting head up/down. Actually, it’s disgusting all the way thru watching their acting with Emanuel poking and prodding the Supt. Eddie Johnson what to say.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ph4VnagcX4
    Published on Nov 19, 2018
    Chicago police Supt. Eddie Johnson and Mayor Rahm Emanuel talked about the fatal shooting at Mercy Hospital where four people were killed, including a Chicago cop, ER doctor, a pharmaceutical assistant and the gunman. Full Story: https://abc7.ws/2Fu5b9i

     
  5. As I said in the other similar post, don’t expect The State to take care of you. They won’t. None of these suppressive laws are intended for our benefit. In a way, the equation has always been the same. There is no “pre-crime” remedy. If you commit a crime you suffer the consequences (in theory).

    As citizens we should always be aware of the fact that we live with savages. Armed or otherwise we should always be prepared to defend ourselves and others. One of the most profound arguments against the deliberate invasions we’ve been suffering is precisely this reality.

    We are paying mega-dollars for “safety” that does not exist and never will. We are paying for our oppression. The guns are merely tools. The PTB are not the least concerned about crime. They want us helpless and dependent.

     
  6. Was listening to a report about the shooting on Roe Conn’s show on WGN just after 5 central and a witness said that there was an exchange of gunfire in the parking lot and someone in a maroon colored Dodge sped out of the parking lot and turned right. So there may be more to the story.

     

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