In Florida, number of CCW permits up, violent crimes down

Somewhere some Lib’s head is about to explode with these facts

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Just ran across this lovely article and thought I would share. Now if some nincompoop would like to debate the fact that having people armed to defend themselves makes for a safer society, well just jam some of these facts down  their throats. 😀                      ~Steve~

Florida Update: Concealed Carry Permits Up, Violent Crime Down.

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The recent report from ABC News that in Florida, where there are more concealed weapons permits than anywhere else in the country, violent crime has dropped to the lowest point in history, delighted Sean Caranna, executive director of Florida Carry, Inc. “We’re happy to have facts and statistics put into these debates, because every time they do, we win,” he said.
Firearm-related violent crimes in Florida have dropped by one-third in just four years, 2007 to 2011, while concealed carry permits jumped by 90 percent in that period. Further, violent crime of any kind dropped almost as much, 26 percent.
There were naysayers, but their voices are becoming muted as more and more states have adopted “shall-issue” carry laws and have seen their own crime rates drop as well. One of the naysayers was Gary Kleck, a Florida State criminologist who calls himself “as liberal as they get.” He said the link between more permits and less crime might just be a coincidence. He said that nationally, crime has been falling steadily since 1991 and Florida’s numbers might just be part of that trend. He warned against drawing too hasty a conclusion that one statistic caused the other. “The real problem there in drawing conclusions is that you’re guessing why that decline or change in gun violence has occurred,” he stated.
In a backhanded support of Kleck’s warning, Arthur Hayhoe, the executive director of the Florida Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, said “It’s difficult to attach gun control to the reduction of crime, and vice versa. We don’t know what works. We can’t prove that gun control works because we don’t have gun control laws.”
( Excuse me while I move this rock…  OK ,Mr. Hayhoe, hey that sounds like..ah never mind. You say we can’t prove it because we don’t have gun control laws. Well since you’ve been under a rock, believe it or not they have laws in New York, Chicago, Los Angeles. Guess what? As far as helping your argument, they suck. Just so you know. Scurry back under that rock now.    ~Steve)
Kleck has authored numerous books and articles over the last 20 years, but none garnered as much national attention as his 1994 National Self-Defense Survey which, based on a survey of 5,000 households, concluded that there were far more incidents where gun owners defended themselves against potentially violent crime than there were actual crimes involving the use of guns. This outraged liberals who thought Kleck would find something that would support their typically anti-gun posture. One such was Marvin Wolfgang, another liberal Florida criminologist who described himself as being “as strong a gun-control advocate as can be found among all criminologists in this country.” He said,
I would eliminate all guns from the civilian population and maybe even from the police. I hate guns — ugly, nasty instruments designed to kill people…. What troubles me is the article by Gary Kleck … The reason I am troubled is that [he has] provided an almost clear-cut case of methodologically sound research in support of something I have theoretically opposed for years, namely, the use of a gun in defense against a criminal perpetrator … I do not like [his] conclusions that having a gun can be useful, but I cannot fault [his] methodology….
Such a report from Florida must encourage Professor John Lott, who in 2000 authored the groundbreaking book More Guns, Less CrimeLott never intended to become the lightning rod for the anti-gun forces. He began the study initially because he saw that much of what passed for valid statistical analysis in the field was poorly done, and he saw an opportunity to correct and update it. What it did was change his life, and not necessarily for the better. In his recent update to the book, Lott wrote,
Ten years have passed since the second edition of this book. During that time, both the argument and the data have been hotly debated. This debate has often been unpleasant, vociferous, and even disingenuous. To say that my career has suffered as a result is something of an understatement.… And yet … within the scholarly community [my] research has withstood criticism and remains sound. Further, the additional ten years of data provide continued strong support for [my] arguments.…
When Florida passed the first “shall-issue” law requiring authorities to issue concealed weapons permits to qualified citizens upon request in 1987, critics warned that the Sunshine State would soon become the “Gunshine” State, with predictions of differences being settled by gun fights in the streets, and crime soaring. The exact opposite happened. As Guncite.com noted, “homicide rates dropped faster than the national average [and] through 1997, only one permit holder out of over the 350,000 permits issued, was convicted of homicide.”
That was then. This is now. Lott provided an update on right-to-carry laws for the Maryland Law Review last October in which he noted that there are now more than 912,000 permit holders in Florida, many of whom have had their permits for years. Across the country, as some 40 other states have joined Florida in its decision to allow “shall-issue” permits to its citizens, the number of permit holders has reached nearly eight million, and is still climbing. And Lott is getting support for his once-controversial view by recent studies showing similar declines in violent crime. Wrote Lott:
There have been a total of 29 peer reviewed studies by economists and criminologists, 18 supporting the hypothesis that shall-issue laws reduce crime, 10 not finding any significant effect on crime … and [one] paper … finding that right-to-carry laws temporarily increase one type of violent crime: aggravated assault.
He noted that the predicted disasters following passage of such laws never happened. In fact, despite more and more states adopting them, not a single one of those laws has been repealed. As Lott noted,
One simple measure of how well these laws have worked is a political one: despite states adopting right-to-carry laws as long ago as the 1920s, there has never even been a legislative hearing held to rescind these laws.
In that paper, Lott took delight in debunking so-called studies by anti-gun groups that have distorted the data to prove a different, and less favorable, conclusion:
A June 2010 analysis of the gun control groups’ claims examined those groups’ claims for Florida: the Brady Campaign and the Violence Policy Center portray Florida as Ground Zero for problems with concealed handgun permit holders.
They boldly assert that seventeen Florida permit holders have “killed” people with their guns over the past three years [from May 2007 to May 2010] and that this one state by itself accounts for seventeen of the ninety-six “killer” permit holders nationwide.
( Liar Liar Big Fat Stupid Pants on Fire…. I’m such a child.  LOL)
Yet even though a newspaper reported on the shooting, seven cases were such clear-cut cases of self-defense that no one was even charged with a crime, three cases involved suicide, and two of the other cases, including one involving a police officer, actually didn’t involve permit holders. [Emphases added.]
That means that, following Lott’s rigorous refutation of those inflated statistics, just five out of more than half a million permit holders were involved in a criminal case in that three-year period.
That latest information from Florida just confirms what Lott had discovered years ago: Carrying reduces crime. Wrote Lott: “Armageddon never happened … in state after state when right-to-carry laws have been adopted, the entire debate quickly becomes a non-issue within a year.”
The time is almost here when carrying a concealed firearm is so commonplace that it won’t even be worth commenting on. Florida and Professor John Lott have led the way.
A graduate of Cornell University and a former investment advisor, Bob is a regular contributor to The New American and blogs frequently at www.LightFromTheRight.com, primarily on economics and politics. He can be reached atbadelmann@thenewamerican.com.
https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/14859-florida-update-concealed-carry-permits-up-violent-crime-down

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josephbc69
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Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition, now and forever!

Jane
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Jane

I live in Florida ( for now ) and am waiting for my CCP delivery which should be any day now. There have been so many applications that it is taking up to 3 months for processing. Although they deposited my payment check in a hurry !
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josephbc69
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Just out of curiosity as to statistics: how old are you, and did you feel insecure, or at some risk before you decided to get a sidearm? If so, was there a specific reason for feeling that way? When my first wife felt that way it was because we lived in a low rent, rough neighbourhood, and at 25, w/o any physical or martial arts skills, she felt that was best.

DCG
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Joseph, I decided to carry my firearm after receiving death threats on our blog. The guy even cited my home town so I took it seriously. Since that time there was a break in at my neighbors and two attacks in the parking lot at my local grocery store. I never leave home without it.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Yup… when it comes to nasty folk, “conflict resolution” means being able to hit your target more often than left/libtards would like.

josephbc69
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I’ll NEVER forget the time I was pinned under fire coming from another property nearby, but I couldn’t tell the correct direction as the bush was too heavy. Boy, did it EVER make me aware of leaving my rifle at home, “only” a few hundred feet away, but it might as well have been Eternity. When the firing stopped I got home, phoned the RCMP, and we soon figured out what the Hell was going on: completely irresponsible teenagers on a nearby farm property ‘fooling around target shooting’ was their excuse. One NEVER fires at targets unless s/he knows exactly… Read more »

Dennis H Bennett
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Dennis H Bennett

Joseph:
I stayed several months on the Detroit Medical Campus several years ago (1990) and faced the same dilemma. Just walking to my car in broad daylight, in a “secured” parking lot, hearing gunshots, not knowing if I should duck, had got in a line of fire or was being singled out as an innocent victim, made me a believer in defending myself. Obama wants to reduce us to the state of the unborn child, completely defenseless. This is not the America I have fought for.

Dressage Rider
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Dressage Rider

How many of us will need those new fangled “printers” to make our own ammo?

josephbc69
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These have been over-hyped by people promoting stocks or their newsletter. The technology exists and it works. BUT –and here’s the kicker– it requires a VERY complex, expensive mechanism to feed the required materials into the printer in EXACTLY the correct amounts at the precise time they are needed. These are not like the heyday of office copiers, where they went from $10,000 to $500 in say ten years. If it were so, then we’d have the long-awaited sci-fi dream of the Universal Assembler that makes us all kings & queens in our apartments, with diamonds as cheap as elemental… Read more »

japoa
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Marvin Wolfgang is a classic example of the lib/ progressive mindset . Don’t dare confuse him with facts or the truth because , like a movie line from a few years ago ; ” HE CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH “. The only problem with a C.C.W. permit is you are telling the gov’t where to look first when it comes down to confiscation . Personally , I’d rather fly under the radar and be judged by 12 than carried by 6 . This might be the non-conformist in me but since when did it become mandatory to apply for a… Read more »

Laserboy
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Laserboy

Why would anyone tell the gument anything. Let them, and they probably will, find out on their own.

Shalimar
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Shalimar

Of Wolves, Children, and Dogs Imagine for a moment that wolves were a pervasive problem across the country. We were left with contending at any given moment a solitary wolf slipping into the school yard, play ground, or birthday party and attacking children. The public out cry began to build and the government in all of it’s infinite wisdom decided it should step in. After much conferring with people who knew nothing about wolves and had never seen a wolf decided that the only real answer was to not risk another child’s life. From the Senate to the White House… Read more »