U.S. Marines to POS: We train with bayonets

In the last 2012 presidential debate last night, Obama repeatedly expressed contempt for and mischaracterized Governor Romney’s position on issues.

On one occasion, the POS said: “I think Governor Romney maybe haven’t spent enough time looking at how our military works. You mentioned the Navy, for example, that we have fewer ships than we had in 1916. But governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets, because the nature of our military’s changed.”

Here’s the Marines’ response (h/t FOTM’s Kathy!):

In fact, horses were used by our troops in Afghanistan. And U.S. Marines still train on bayonets in boot camp and many Marines still are issued bayonets as standard equipment.

Marines have also been tweeting about their CIC’s comment. Here’s one example:

Brad Hennenfent ‏@BradMD

@illinimarine7: Mr Obama. Im a US Marine. Im trained with a bayonet. It is a vital tool in close quarter combat. U..have no idea what we do.

10:11 PM – 22 Oct 12

Awr Hawkins of Breitbart points out:

“Moreover, by virtue of the USMC still using bayonets, there actually are more bayonets in use than 1916, when the army had between 100,000 and 140,000 enlisted members. As of 2010, the Corps boasted 203,000 active duty members and 40,000 reserve marines.

As to the size of the Navy, Romney’s remarks about fleet size were centered around a concern that U.S. naval forces would in the near future be unable to operate in multiple regions of the globe simultaneously. While Obama dismissed this out of hand, Vice Chief of Naval Operations Admiral Mark Ferguson reached a similar evaluation months before the debate:

“Our role is really about the flexibility of forces, that they can move to various regions, both in this region in the Gulf and outside the Gulf… Should sequestration be enacted, the Navy would not be able to support the current national defense strategy and it would cause a reduction in the size of the fleet to the point that we would have to relook at the strategy,” Ferguson said. The Navy “would be reduced both in size and in its presence around the globe.”

Even at the beginning of Obama’s term as President, the Navy had a goal of producing a 313-ship fleet by 2013. It wasn’t until 2012, after three years of unfulfilled promises of economic recovery, that the target was abandoned. What happened between 2009 and 2012 that made the Obama administration decide that it could downgrade the size of the U.S. Navy further yet maintain its ability to operate in multiple arenas simultaneously?

Lastly, and most succinctly, submarines are boats, not ships. Obama got this one wrong as well.”

Hawkins observes that it is Obama, not Romney, who “maybe hasn’t spent enough time studying how our military works.”

In other post-debate election news, from Drudge Report:

And . . . the best line in last night’s debate goes to the 75-year-old moderator, CBS’s Bob Shieffer. While prefacing a question for Mitt Romney about Pakistan, Schieffer referred to Osama bin Laden as “Obama bin Laden”:

“We know that Pakistan has arrested the doctor who helped us catch Obama-uh-bin Laden.”

~Eowyn

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Roger Jones
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Roger Jones

Trivialities

DCG
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Clueless, as usual.

Linda
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Linda

HA Mr smirking, dirisive , know nothing prez. Take that!

Anonymous
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Soldiers still use bayonets, too.

igor
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igor

obama pathetically incompetent as usual a horse would make a better administrator than obama.

sparrow59
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sparrow59

I never wanted to slap someone off a chair so bad as I did last night! Smug, arrogant, stern, evil eyes, ugh! I found myself screaming at the TV and using naughty language! 🙂

Crustacean
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Crustacean

Holy cow, talk about missing the point! you’r seriously going ape-$hit over bayonets? I actually agree with many conservative ideals, but then I come across a site like this and, well, let’s just say I’m not impressed. Mean-spirited, pathetic liars are seemingly all I see among the Republicans these days. You can preach all you want to the choir, but anyone who appreciates good journalism and gets their information from multiple sources will not be moved by your B.S. rhetoric.

sparrow59
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sparrow59

Wait till Dr. E. gets hold of you! 🙂

DCG
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Apparently reading comprehension is not your strong suit.

Maybe you are impressed with Benghazi, Fast & Furious, and our national debt? Or are those lies too?

Stick to those journalists HuffPo and Daily Kooks. They’ll appreciate your rants.

sparrow59
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sparrow59

Beautifully said Grouchy, and oh so funny!

sparrow59
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sparrow59

You guys are killing me tonight! 🙂

Miranda
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FoxNews reported on this right after the debate. Bret B. talked about tweets from people in the military on this topic.

MsLuna
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MsLuna

Reply to Obama: A horse and a bayonet beats a camel and a spear any day!

Alice Wolf
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The gunrunner in chief could perhaps be rather sensitive about references to arms. He has armed the Mexican cartels if what we have read about Fast and Furious is anything to go by, and today in the Washington Times there is a commentary regarding a possible stash of weapons that may have been on their way to arm the Syrian rebels that perhaps have found their way into the hands of some terrorists or jihadists what ever you call these radical Islam warriors, who may not be fighting on his behalf covertly. Benghazi is apparently awash with weaponry that was… Read more »

Diane Nixon
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Diane Nixon

What else do you expect from a “Mulatto”

DCG
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I don’t care about skin color. I care about leadership.

Miranda
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Diane-

That was just hateful! What a horrible thing to say!

GySgt1
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GySgt1

Dear Crutacean, “Crusty”, I do not beleive that the point has been missed. the point is that the POS was eluding to the fact that there are items in the military that are no longer in use due to more modern weapons and equipment. The other point is that the POS, evidently, does not know what equipment is still being used. As pointed out earlier, horses and mules are still being used today in the mountains due to the terrain. They are however not a standard issue for our military but still used. The bayonet is a different story. I… Read more »

GySgt1
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GySgt1

No problem Grouchy. I dont know why your thanking me though. Im just trying to state some facts that I know first hand and hope to shade a little light for some people that just don’t know.
I don’t understand why some don’t take the time to learn.

I mean I really don’t.

Why would you not what to understand and know about things, issues, ect that can and will effect your life. Again I just don’t understand.

Anyway, your welcome Grouchy and thank you for taking time to read my little rant.

Semper Fi

GySgt1
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GySgt1

sorry about some of the spelling. brain starts to move faster then the fingers.

posreally
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posreally

what does POS stand for

posreally
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posreally

imposter? did the real one die and a replacment take over ala the movie Dave?

SDF
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I just keep picturing Dr. Zoiberg (the lobster from Futurama )dictating his post in that Jackie Mason accent.

JDayGlow
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JDayGlow

Am i missing something here? He said we had fewer not that we didn’t use them at all.

Crustacean
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Crustacean

First, @Grouchy: I love that you dropped a TEETOTALLY on me. Nicely done, sir! A few days ago, I actually posted a really nifty reply to Dr. Eowyn that answered all his numbered questions, but unfortunately it was gobbled up by WordPress’s spam gobbler (what, me spam? No way, I’m not even a troll. I may have liberal faith, but I still have faith, and I come here as a friend. A really argumentative, pain in the ass, stubborn as a mule friend, but a friend, nonetheless). To that end, I’d like to apologize for the “B.S. rhetoric” comment I… Read more »