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The real quid pro quo: Joe Biden brags of Obama administration withholding $1B aid unless Ukraine fired prosecutor investigating Joe’s son Hunter

Beginning in September 2019, House Democrats launched a formal impeachment inquiry into President Trump over “whistleblower” Eric Ciaramella‘s accusation that Trump had issued a quid pro quo, i.e., a threat, to withhold military aid to Ukraine as a pressure tactic to force the Ukrainian government to investigate allegations that Joe Biden’s son Hunter benefited financially from the firing of that same Ukrainian prosecutor. 

Note: Quid pro quo is a Latin phrase which means an exchange of goods or services, in which one transfer is contingent upon the other; “a favor for a favor”.

President Trump did no such thing, as proven by the transcript of his phone call with Ukraine President Zelensky, which had been confirmed by Zelensky himself. See:

Nor is it improper for President Trump to ask the Ukrainian goverment to investigate possible corruption on the part of the Bidens. See “1998 US-Ukraine treaty on mutual assistance in criminal matters proves it’s another Democrat witch-hunt”.

Democrats have a predilection to psychological projection — accusing others of what something they themselves did or are doing.

It turns out that when he was Obama’s Vice President, Joe Biden threatened Ukraine’s then-President Petro Poroshenko that if he didn’t fire Ukraine’s State Prosecutor Viktor Shokin — who was investigating the founder of natural gas company Burisma Holdings, where Joe’s son Hunter Biden had a lucrative role on the board — Ukraine would not get a billion dollar loan guarantee from the United States.

Biden bragged about making that threat on January 23, 2018, on a panel at the Council on Foreign Relations panel.

Below is a video of Biden bragging about the quid pro quo, followed by the transcript of what he said.

Beginning at the 0:16 mark, the interviewer asks Biden:

“This [Trump] administration, unlike the [Obama] administration you worked in [as Vice President of the USA], decided to provide limited defense articles to Ukraine, do you think that was a wise decision and, more broadly, do you see any scope for any sort of a deal on eastern Ukraine?”

Biden replies (0:31 mark):

“The answer is yes, I think it was a wise decision. But then again, I was pushing that for two years before we left. So, and the reason is, I think, the more you upped the ante, the cost to Russia for their aggression, I mean as you all know this better than anybody, um, you know, the one big lie going on about Ukraine back in and and and the rest of Russia is that no Russian soldiers are engaged, they’re not dying, no body bags are coming home etc., because there’s overwhelming opposition on the part of the body politic and Russia for engagement in Ukraine in a military sense. Um, do I think the [inaudible] has potential to be solved, but it takes two things. One of those things is missing now, and that is I’m desperately concerned about the backsliding on the part of Kiev in terms of corruption. They made—I mean, I’ll give you one concrete example. I was—not I, but it just happened to be that was the assignment I got. I got all the good ones. And so I got Ukraine. And I remember going over, convincing our team, our leaders to—convincing that we should be providing for loan guarantees. And I went over, I guess, the 12th, 13th time to Kiev. And I was supposed to announce that there was another billion-dollar loan guarantee. And I had gotten a commitment from [President Petro] Poroshenko and from [Prime Minister Arseniy] Yatsenyuk that they would take action against the state prosecutor. And they didn’t.

So they said they had—they were walking out to a press conference. I said, nah, I’m not going to—or, we’re not going to give you the billion dollars. They said, you have no authority. You’re not the president, the president said. I said, call him.

(Audience laughter)

I said, I’m telling you, you’re not getting the billion dollars. I said, you’re not getting the billion. I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money. Well, son of a bitch. (Laughter.) He got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time.”

If YouTube takes down the video, you can watch it on the Wall Street Journal, here.

From Fox News, Oct. 2, 2019:

The fired prosecutor at the center of the Ukraine controversy said during a private interview with President Trump’s personal attorney Rudy Giuliani earlier this year that he was told to back off an investigation involving a natural gas firm that was linked to Joe Biden’s son, according to details of that interview that were handed over to Congress by the State Department’s inspector general Wednesday.

Fox News obtained a copy of Giuliani’s notes from his January 2019 interview with fired Ukrainian prosecutor Viktor Shokin in which he claimed that his “investigations stopped out of fear of the United States.”

“Mr. Shokin attempted to continue the investigations but on or around June or July of 2015, the U.S. Ambassador Geoffrey R. Pyatt told him that the investigation has to be handled with white gloves, which according to Mr. Shokin, that implied do nothing,” the notes from the interview stated. The notes also claimed Shokin was told Biden had held up U.S. aid to Ukraine over the investigation.

Shokin was fired in April 2016, and his case was “closed by the current Prosecutor General Yuriy Lutsenko,” according to the notes. Despite his claims, Shokin, on both sides of the Atlantic, had been widely accused of corruption.

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1998 US-Ukraine treaty on mutual assistance in criminal matters proves it’s another Democrat witch-hunt

A witch-hunt is “An investigation carried out ostensibly to uncover subversive activities but actually used to harass and undermine those with differing views.”

After the failure of their Russian-collusion witch-hunt, the Demonrats have manufactured yet another baseless pretext to impeach President Trump.

An anonymous Deep State whistleblower claims that in a July 25, 2019 phonecall with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, Trump used $400 million in U.S. military aid to pressure Zelensky to open a probe into possible corruption involving Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden and his son, Hunter.

Note: When Joe Biden was Obama’s Vice President, he lobbied for the removal of Ukraine’s State Prosecutor Viktor Shokin, who was investigating a Ukrainian energy company that employed Joe’s son, Hunter Biden, who served until earlier this year on the company’s board and was paid a reported $50,000 monthly salary. The investigation into the company ended without charges brought against Hunter.

Although the whistleblower had not actually heard the Trump-Zelensky phone conversation, but based his/her accusation on hearsay, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) used the phonecall as the pretext for the House to move to impeach Trump.

On Sept. 25, the White House released the transcript of the Trump-Zelensky phone call, which confirms Trump’s and Zelenksy’s accounts — that Trump made no reference to the $400 million U.S. military aid, nor did he use the aid as a quid pro quo to coerce Zelensky.

In the phonecall, Trump did ask Zelensky for help to investigate two matters:

  • The DNC (Democratic National Committee) server that was hacked in 2016.
  • What Hunter Biden was doing in Ukraine, about which Joe Biden bragged that he had stopped Hunter from being prosecuted.

Trump told Zelensky Attorney General William Barr and Trump’s personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, would be in contact with Zelensky on the investigations.

A Constitutional-law attorney points out that it is entirely proper for Trump to ask Zelensky. In the words of the attorney:

The President is head of the Executive, which carries exclusive power to conduct foreign relations. No other branch of government has this power…. As Executive, the President is the ONLY official authorized to request foreign assistance in a corruption investigation…. Obtaining foreign cooperation in investigations of corruption by a US official is a matter of statecraft/diplomacy, ie, a function of foreign affairs…. CONCLUSION:  Trump not only is entirely within his powers to use foreign aid as a means to persuade Zelensky to investigate the Biden affair, I believe he was obligated to do so…. The fact Trump may obtain…political advantage from the investigation is simply irrelevant as a matter of law.

It turns out that there is actually a U.S. treaty with Ukraine on mutual legal assistance in criminal matters — a treaty that the Clinton Administration signed on July 22, 1998, in Kiev, Ukraine.

Below are excerpts from the Treaty Between the United States of America and Ukraine on Mutual Assistance in Criminal Matters, which entered into force on February 27, 2001:

ARTICLE 1
SCOPE OF ASSISTANCE

1.The Contracting States shall provide mutual assistance, in accordance with the provisions of this Treaty, in connection with the investigation, prosecution, and prevention of offenses, and in proceedings related to criminal matters.

2. Assistance shall include:

(a) taking the testimony or statements of persons;

(b) providing documents, records, and other items;

(c) locating or identifying persons or items;

(d) serving documents;

(e) transferring persons in custody for testimony or other purposes;

(f) executing searches and seizures;

(g) assisting in proceedings related to immobilization and forfeiture of assets, restitution, and collection of fines; and

(h) any other form of assistance not prohibited by the laws of the Requested State.

3. Assistance shall be provided without regard to whether the conduct that is the subject of the investigation, prosecution, or proceeding in the Requesting State would constitute an offense under the laws of the Requested State.

4. This Treaty is intended solely for mutual legal assistance between the Contracting States. The provisions of this Treaty shall not give rise to a right on the part of any private person to obtain, suppress, or exclude any evidence, or to impede the execution of a request.

ARTICLE 2
CENTRAL AUTHORITIES

1. Each Contracting State shall have a Central Authority to make and receive requests pursuant to this Treaty.

2. For the United States of America, the Central Authority shall be the Attorney General or a person designated by the Attorney General. For Ukraine, the Central Authority shall be the Ministry of Justice and the Office of the Prosecutor General.

ARTICLE 5
EXECUTION OF REQUESTS

1.The Central Authority of the Requested State shall promptly execute the request or, when appropriate, shall transmit it to the authority having jurisdiction to do so. The competent authorities of the Requested State shall do everything in their power to execute the request. The competent authorities of the Requested State shall have authority to issue subpoenas, search and arrest warrants, or other orders necessary to execute the request.

In other words, President Trump did nothing wrong — even less any impeachable “high crime or misdemeanor” — in the July 25 Zelensky phonecall:

  • President Trump did NOT use U.S. military aid to pressure Ukraine to investigate Joe and Hunter Biden.
  • President Trump didn’t NEED to exert any pressure because the two countries already have a treaty that obliges the Ukrainian government, when requested by the U.S. government, to conduct a criminal investigation.
  • Furthermore, in that investigation, the U.S. “Central Authority” with whom the Ukrainian government communicates is none other than the U.S. Attorney General, i.e., William Barr, or a person designated by Barr, i.e., Rudy Giuliani.

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Constitutional-law attorney’s analysis of the Trump-Zelensky phonecall

Three days ago, on Sept. 25, the White House released the transcript of a controversial July 25, 2019 phone call between President Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.

An anonymous Deep State whistleblower claims that in the phonecall, Trump used the $400 million in U.S. military aid to Ukraine to pressure Zelensky to open a probe into possible corruption involving Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden and his son, Hunter. But the whistleblower had not actually heard the Trump-Zelensky phone conversation, but based his/her accusation on hearsay.

Regardless, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) used the phonecall as the pretext for the House to move to impeach Trump.

The 5-page transcript of the July 25 phonecall confirms Trump’s and Zelenksy’s accounts: Trump made no reference to the $400 million U.S. military aid, nor did he use the aid to coerce Zelensky.

Below is an analysis of the phonecall controversy by a retired U.S. Army officer who is now a licensed attorney in Minnesota and Wisconsin. His practice includes constitutional law issues, and he has significant experience drafting and arguing motions in both State and Federal Court of Appeals.

The legal analysis below is in the form of an email I received from the attorney. I have his consent to publish, but his identity must remain anonymous.

1. It is unquestioned that Biden, as a sitting VP, took his son Hunter (apparently on gov’t transport) to first Ukraine and then China or that, after each visit, Hunter Biden gained significant economic advantages (as in managing a $1.5B fund in the latter case). Hunter Biden has zero experience in East Europe or China, and no experience in either company’s type of opertions. He was a board member, and board members do not necessarily have either of these, but Biden as a lawyer was really only useful to them (from a professional knowledge point of view) WRT US operations and laws pertaining thereto.

2. [Joe Biden] Using government office to gain economic advantage for family members [Hunter Biden] is at least arguably and I assert positively is corrupt under existing statutes.

3. The President is head of the Executive, which carries exclusive power to conduct foreign relations. No other branch of government has this power. (Do not confuse the Senate’s Advise and Consent responsibility for the conduct of foreign affairs – the Senate must advise and consent to completed treaties but has zero role in negotiating those treaties, at least as a matter of law.)

4. The President as Chief Executive is chief law enforcement officer of the USA. As such, he is empowered – I would argue obligated – to investigate corruption, especially at high levels of government.

5. Item #1 constitutes probable cause for an investigation of Biden for corruption.

6. As Executive, the President is the ONLY official authorized to request foreign assistance in a corruption investigation (he may delegate this power).

7. Obtaining foreign cooperation in investigations of corruption by a US official is a matter of statecraft/diplomacy, ie, a function of foreign affairs. No (or very few) rules apply. The President has the sole power here.

8. CONCLUSION: Trump not only is entirely within his powers to use foreign aid as a means to persuade Zelensky to investigate the Biden affair, I believe he was obligated to do so (qv #4).

The fact Trump may obtain – and certainly expected to obtain – political advantage from the investigation is simply irrelevant as a matter of law.

There is also the inconvenient-to-Democrats matter of a treaty between the United States and Ukraine on cooperating to prosecute crimes. See “1998 US-Ukraine treaty on mutual assistance in criminal matters proves it’s another Democrat witch-hunt“.

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~Eowyn

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Ukraine President Zelensky defends Trump: ‘Nobody pushed me’

Yesterday, the White House released the transcript of a controversial July 25, 2019 phone call between President Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, 41.

An anonymous Deep State whistleblower claims that in the phonecall, Trump used the $400 million in U.S. military aid to Ukraine to pressure Zelensky to open a probe into possible corruption involving 2020 Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden and his son, Hunter. The only problem is this: The whistleblower had not actually heard the Trump-Zelensky phone conversation, but based his/her accusation on hearsay.

Being who they are, absence of evidence never stops Demonrats from their never-ending persecution of  Trump — a duly-elected President of the United States. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) used the hearsay phonecall as the pretext for the House to move to impeach Trump. Puffed up with faux righteous indigation, Pelosi said: “The president must be held accountable! No one is above the law.”

The 5-page transcript of the Trump-Zelensky phonecall shows that instead of being adversarial, the two presidents were warm and cordial. In the phonecall, Trump made no reference to the $400 million U.S. military aid, nor did he use the aid to coerce Zelensky. 

See my post, “Transcript of phonecall between Trump and Ukrainian president shows no wrongdoing“.

Yesterday, Sept. 25, at the United Nations General Assembly, in a joint appearance with Trump before reporters, President Zelensky confirmed what was said and not said in the July 25 phonecall.

Yahoo News reports that asked by reporters if he had felt pressured by Trump to investigate Biden, Zelensky said:

“I think you read everything. So I think you read text. I’m sorry but I don’t want to be involved to democratic open elections of USA. I think we had good phone call. It was normal. We spoke about many things. I think, and you read it, nobody pushed me.

Trump added, “In other words, no pressure.”

About Hunter Biden, Trump said that President Zelensky is “very, very strongly looking into all sorts of corruption,” and that when Hunter Biden “walks away with millions of dollars from Ukraine and … they’re paying him millions of dollars, that’s corruption.”

When Joe Biden was Obama’s Vice President, he lobbied for the removal of Ukraine’s State Prosecutor Viktor Shokin, who was investigating a Ukrainian energy company that employed Joe’s son, Hunter Biden, who served until earlier this year on the company’s board and was paid a reported $50,000 monthly salary. The investigation into the company ended without charges brought against Hunter.

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Transcript of phonecall between Trump and Ukrainian president shows no wrongdoing

This morning, the White House released the transcript of a controversial July 25, 2019 phone call between President Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.

An anonymous Deep State whistleblower claims that in the phonecall, Trump used the $400 million in U.S. military aid to Ukraine to pressure Zelensky to open a probe into possible corruption involving Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden and his son, Hunter. The only problem is this: The whistleblower had not actually heard the Trump-Zelensky phone conversation, but based his/her accusation on hearsay.

In other words, as in the entirely bogus Trump-Russian collusion, Democrats have ZERO evidence of any wrongdoing by President Trump in the phonecall. But being who they are, absence of evidence never stops Demonrats from their never-ending persecution of  Trump — a duly-elected President of the United States.

In fact, yesterday, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) used the phonecall as the pretext for the House to move to impeach Trump. Puffed up with faux righteous indigation, Pelosi said: “The president must be held accountable! No one is above the law.”

Trump has admitted talking to Zelensky about the Bidens, but said he did not use U.S. aid to extort a quid-pro-quo from Zelensky. The aid was held up because European countries were not paying their fair share of Ukraine’s defense. In the end, Ukraine got the military aid on Sept. 12.

Note: When Joe Biden was Obama’s Vice President, he lobbied for the removal of Ukraine’s State Prosecutor Viktor Shokin, who was investigating a Ukrainian energy company that employed Joe’s son, Hunter Biden, who served until earlier this year on the company’s board and was paid a reported $50,000 monthly salary. The investigation into the company ended without charges brought against Hunter.

As you can see for yourself, the 5-page transcript of the July 25 phonecall between President Trump and President Zelensky shows that instead of being adversarial, Trump and Zelensky were warm and cordial. In fact, Trump initiated the phonecall to congratulate Zelensky on winning the election. Trump made no reference to the $400 million U.S. military aid, nor did he use the aid to coerce Zelensky. Trump did ask Zelensky for help on two matters:

  • The DNC (Democratic National Committee) server that was hacked in 2016.
  • What Hunter Biden was doing in Ukraine, about which Joe Biden bragged that he had stopped Hunter from being prosecuted.

The transcript contains this explanatory message:

CAUTION: A Memorandum of a Telephone Conversation (TELCON) is not a verbatim transcript of a discussion. The text in this document records the notes and recollections of Situation Room Duty Officers and NSC policy staff assigned to listen and memorialize the conversation in written form as the conversation takes place. A numper of factors can affect the accuracy of the record, including poor telecommunications connections and variations in accent and/or interpretation. The word “inaudible” is used to indifate portions of a conversation that the notetaker was unable to hear.

Below is the transcript, which you can also read in PDF format here.

Declassified by order of the President’ September 24, 2019

MEMORANDUM OF TELEPHONE CONVERSATION

SUBJECT: Telephone Conversation with President Zelenskyy of Ukraine

PARTICIPANTS: President Zelenskyy of Ukraine

Notetakers: The White House Situation Room

DATE, TIME AND PLACE: July 25, 2019, 9:03 – 9:33 a.m. EDT Residence

The President: Congratulations on a great victory. We all watched from the United States and you did a terrific job. The way you came from behind, somebody who wasn’t given much of a chance, and you ended up winning easily. It’s a fantastic achievement. Congratulations.

President Zelenskyy: You are absolutely right Mr. Presideht. We did win big and we worked hard for this. We worked a lot but I would like to confess to you that I had an opportunity to learn from you. We used quite a few of your skills and knowledge and were able to use it as an example for our elections and yes it is true that these were unique elections. We were in a unique situation that we were able to achieve a unique success. I’m able to tell you the following; the first time, you called me to congratulate me when I won my presidential election, and the second time you are now calling me when my party won the parliamentary election. I think I should run more often so you can call me more often and we can talk over the phone more often.

The President: [laughter] That’s a very good idea. I think your country is very happy about that.

President Zelensky: Well yes, to tell you the truth, we are trying to work hard because we wanted to drain the swamp here in our country. We brought in many many new people. Not the old politicians, not the typical politicians, because we want to have a new format and a new type of government You are a great teacher for us and in that.

The President: Well it’s very nice of you to say that. I will say that we do a lot for Ukraine. We spend a lot of effort and a lot of time. Much more than the European countries are doing and they should be helping you more than they are. Germany does almost nothing for you. All they do is talk and I think it’s something that you should really ask them about. When I was speaking to Angela Merkel she talks Ukraine, but she doesn’t do anything. A lot of the European countries are the same way so I think it’s something you want to look at but the United States has been very very good to Ukraine. I wouldn’t say that it’s reciprocal necessarily because things are happening that are not good but the United States has been very very good to Ukraine.

President Zelenskyy: Yes you are absolutely right. Not only 100%, but actually 1000% and I can tell you the following; I did talk to Angela Merkel and I did meet with her. I also met and talked with Macron and I told them that they are not doing quite as much as they need to be doing on the issues with the sanctions. They are not enforcing the sanctions. They are not working as much as they should work for Ukraine. It turns out that even though logically, the European Union should be our biggest partner but technically the United States is a much bigger partner than the European Union and I’m very grateful to you for that because the United States is doing quite a lot for Ukraine. Much more than the European Union especially when we are talking about sanctions against the Russian Federation. I would also like to thank you for your great support in the area of defense. We are ready to continue to cooperate for the next steps specifically we are almost ready to buy more Javelins from the United States for defense purposes.

The President: I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike… I guess you have one of your wealthy people… The server, they say Ukraine has it.There are a lot of things that went on, the whole situation. I think you’re surrounding yourself with some of the same people. I would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it. As you saw yesterday, that whole nonsense ended with a very poor performance by a man named Robert Mueller, an incompetent performance, but they say a lot of it started with Ukraine. Whatever you can do, it’s very important that you do it if that’s possible.

Note: CrowdStrike is a cybersecurity firm that helped investigate the 2016 hack into the Democratic National Committee.

President Zelenskyy: Yes it is very important for me and everything that you just mentioned earlier. For me as a President, it is very important and we are open for any future cooperation. We are ready to open a new page on cooperation in relations between the United States and Ukraine. For that·purpose, I just recalled our ambassador from United States and he will be replaced by a very competent and very experienced ambassador who will work hard on making sure that our two nations are getting closer. I would also like and hope to see him having your trust and your confidence and have personal relations with you so we can cooperate even more so. I will personally tell you that one of my assistants spoke with Mr. Giuliani just recently and we are hoping very much that Mr. G1uliani will be able to travel to Ukraine and we will meet once he comes to Ukraine. I just wanted to assure you once again that you have nobody but friends around us. I will make sure that I surround myself with the best and most experienced people. I also wanted to tell you that we are friends. We are great friends and you Mr. President have friends in our country so we can continue our strategic partnership. I also plan to surround myself with great people and in addition to that investigation, I guarantee as the President of Ukraine that all the investigations will be done openly and candidly. That I can assure you.

The President: Good because I heard you had a prosecutor who was very·good and he was shut down and that’s really unfair. A lot of people are talking about that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people involved. Mr. Giuliani is a highly respected man. He was the mayor bf New York City, a great mayor, and I would like him to call you. I will ask him to call you along with the Attorney General. Rudy very much knows what’s happening and he is a very capable guy. If you could speak to him that would be great. The former ambassador from the United States, the woman, was bad news and the people she was dealing with in the Ukraine were bad news so I just want to let you know that. The other thing, There’s a lot of talk about Biden’s son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it… It sounds horrible to me.

President Zelenskyy: I wanted to tell you about the prosecutor. First of a11 I understand and I’m knowledgeable about the situation. Since we have won the absolute majority in our Parliament; the next prosecutor general will be 100% my person, my candidate, who will be approved, by the parliament and will start as a new prosecutor in September. He or she will look into the situation, specifically to the company that you mentioned in this issue. The issue of the investigation of the case is actually the issue of making sure to restore the honesty so we will take care of that and wi11 work on the investigation of the case. On top of that, I would kindly ask you if you have any additional information that you can provide to μs, it would be very helpful for the investigation to make sure that we administer justice in our country with regard to the Ambassador to the United States from Ukraine as far as I recall her name was Ivanovich. It was great that you were the first one who told me that she was a bad ambassador because I agree with you 100%. Her attitude towards me was far from the best as she admired the previous President and she was on his side. She would not accept me as a new President well enough.

The President: Well, she’s going to go through somethings. I will have Mr. Giuliani give you a call and I am also going to have Attorney General Barr call and we will get to the bottom of it. I’m sure you will figure it out. I heard the prosecutor was treated very badly and he was a very fair prosecutor so good luck with everything. Your economy is going to get better and better I predict. You have a lot of assets. It’s a great country. I have many Ukrainian friends, their [sic] incredible people.

President Zelensky: I would like to tell you that I also have quite a few Ukrain1an friends that live in the United States. Actually last time I traveled to the United States, I stayed in New York near Central Park and I stayed at the Trump Tower. I will talk to them and I hope to see them again in the future. I also wanted to thank you for your invitation to visit the United States, specifically Washington DC. On the other hand, I also want to ensure you that we will be very serious about the case and will work on the investigation. As to the economy, there is much potential for our two countries and one of the issues that is very important for Ukraine is energy independence. I believe we can be very successful and cooperating on energy independence with United States. We are already working on cooperation. We are buying American oil but I am very hopeful for a future meeting. We will have more time and more opportunities to discuss these opportunities and get to know each other better. I would like to thank you very much for your support.

The President: Good. Well, thank you very much and I appreciate that. I will tell Rudy and Attorney General Barr to call. Thank you. Whenever you would like to come to the White House, feel free to call. Give us a date and we’ll work that out. I 1ook forward to seeing you.

President Zelensky: Thank you very much. I would be very happy to come and would be happy to meet with you personally and get to know you better. I am looking forward to our meeting and I also would like to invite you to visit Ukraine and come to the city of Kyiv which is a beautiful city. We have a beautiful country which would welcome you. On the other hand, I believe that on September 1 we will be in Poland and we can meet in Poland hopefully. After that, it might be a very good idea for you to travel to Ukraine. We can either take my plane and go to Ukraine or we can take your plane, which is probably much better than mine.

The President: Okay, we can work that out. I look forward to seeing you in Washington and maybe in Poland because I think we are going to be there at that time.

President Zelenskyy: Thank you very much Mr. President.

The President: Congratulations on a fantastic job you’ve done. The whole world was watching. I’m not sure it was so much of an upset but congratulations.

President Zelenskyy: Thank you Mr. President bye-bye.

— End of Conversation —

~Eowyn

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