States with the highest & lowest property taxes

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Property taxes are the single largest revenue source for local governments, used to fund fire and police departments, schools, and road maintenance, including snow removal, cleaning, and repair.

In 2015, the average U.S. property taxes per person was $1,518. Since property taxes are ratified, collected, and spent almost entirely at the municipal level, depending on where you live, property taxes can be either relatively low or a major financial burden.

Generally, property taxes are collected as a set share of the value of a home or parcel of land. Depending on local laws, home or property values are assessed periodically based on estimated sale prices, or by using the sale price when the property was last sold.

Using data from the Tax Foundation’s report, 2018 Facts & Figures: How Does Your State Compare?, 24/7 Wall St reviewed the 2015 effective property tax rate — the total amount of property taxes paid annually as a percentage of the total value of all occupied homes — for all 50 states, to derive the states with the highest and lowest property taxes. However, states with relatively low effective property tax rates do not necessarily have low tax revenue if real estate values in an area are high. That means that a state with a low effective property tax rate may actually have high per capita property taxes in dollar amount. The worst, of course, is a state with a high effective property tax rate and high per capita property taxes. And the worst of the worst is New Jersey, which has the highest effective property tax rate and the highest per capita property taxes.

The top 5 states in effective property tax rates are:

  1. New Jersey
  2. Illinois
  3. New Hampshire
  4. Wisconsin
  5. Vermont

The top 5 states in per capita property taxes are:

  1. New Jersey
  2. New Hampshire
  3. Connecticut
  4. New York
  5. Vermont

The 5 states with the lowest effective property tax rates are:

  1. Hawaii
  2. Alabama
  3. Louisiana
  4. West Virginia
  5. Wyoming

The 5 states with the lowest per capita property taxes are:

  1. Alabama
  2. Arkansas
  3. New Mexico
  4. Kentucky
  5. Delaware

Below is a list of all 50 states from the lowest to highest effective property tax rates:

(50) Hawaii:

  • Effective property tax rate: 0.29% (the lowest)
  • Median home value: $617,400 (the highest)
  • Per capita property taxes: $1,069.62 (18th lowest)
  • Median household income: $77,765 (3rd highest)

(49) Alabama:

  • Effective property tax rate: 0.40% (2nd lowest)
  • Median home value: $141,300 (7th lowest)
  • Per capita property taxes: $539.76 (the lowest)
  • Median household income: $48,123 (6th lowest)

(48) Louisiana:

  • Effective property tax rate: 0.51% (3rd lowest)
  • Median home value: $162,500 (15th lowest)
  • Per capita property taxes: $868.77 (8th lowest)
  • Median household income: $46,145 (4th lowest)

(47) West Virginia:

  • Effective property tax rate: 0.53% (4th lowest)
  • Median home value: $119,800 (the lowest)
  • Per capita property taxes: $887.99 (9th lowest)
  • Median household income: $43,469 (the lowest)

(46) Wyoming:

  • Effective property tax rate: 0.55% (5th lowest)
  • Median home value: $214,300 (22nd highest)
  • Per capita property taxes: $2,346.84 (6th highest)
  • Median household income: $60,434 (19th highest)

(45) South Carolina:

  • Effective property tax rate: 0.56%
  • Median home value: $161,800 (14th lowest)
  • Per capita property taxes: $1,129.61 (20th lowest)
  • Median household income: $50,570 (9th lowest)

(44) Delaware:

  • Effective property tax rate: 0.56%
  • Median home value: $252,800 (17th highest)
  • Per capita property taxes: $855.29 (5th lowest)
  • Median household income: $62,852 (17th highest

(43) Colorado:

  • Effective property tax rate: 0.59%
  • Median home value: $348,900 (4th highest)
  • Per capita property taxes: $1,381.92 (25th lowest)
  • Median household income: $69,117 (11th highest)

(42) Arkansas:

  • Effective property tax rate: 0.63%
  • Median home value: $128,500 (3rd lowest)
  • Per capita property taxes: $698.60 (2nd lowest)
  • Median household income: $45,869 (3rd lowest)

(41) Mississippi:

  • Effective property tax rate: 0.64%
  • Median home value: $120,200 (2nd lowest)
  • Per capita property taxes: $971.63 (13th lowest)
  • Median household income: $43,529 (2nd lowest)

(40) Utah:

  • Effective property tax rate: 0.65%
  • Median home value: $275,100 (10th highest)
  • Per capita property taxes: $975.96 (15th lowest)
  • Median household income: $68,358 (13th highest)

(39) New Mexico:

  • Effective property tax rate: 0.67%
  • Median home value: $171,300 (19th lowest)
  • Per capita property taxes: $770.45 (3rd lowest)
  • Median household income: $46,744 (5th lowest)

(38) Arizona:

  • Effective property tax rate: 0.70%
  • Median home value: $223,400 (21st highest)
  • Per capita property taxes: $1,036.43 (17th lowest)
  • Median household income: $56,581 (23rd lowest)

(37) Tennessee:

  • Effective property tax rate: 0.75%
  • Median home value: $167,500 (16th lowest)
  • Per capita property taxes: $862.63 (7th lowest)
  • Median household income: $51,340 (10th lowest)

(36) Idaho:

  • Effective property tax rate: 0.75%
  • Median home value: $207,100 (24th highest)
  • Per capita property taxes: $963.84 (12th lowest)
  • Median household income: $52,225 (11th lowest)

(35) Nevada:

  • Effective property tax rate: 0.75%
  • Median home value: $258,200 (15th highest)
  • Per capita property taxes: $959.26 (11th lowest)
  • Median household income: $58,003 (25th lowest)

(34) California:

  • Effective property tax rate: 0.76%
  • Median home value: $509,400 (2nd highest)
  • Per capita property taxes: $1,450.91 (21st highest)
  • Median household income: $71,805 (8th highest)

(33) Montana:

  • Effective property tax rate: 0.76%
  • Median home value: $231,300 (18th highest)
  • Per capita property taxes: $1,508.57 (19th highest)
  • Median household income: $53,386 (14th lowest)

(32) Kentucky:

  • Effective property tax rate: 0.80%
  • Median home value: $141,000 (5th lowest)
  • Per capita property taxes: $781.04 (4th lowest)
  • Median household income: $48,375 (7th lowest)

(31) Virginia:

  • Effective property tax rate: 0.84%
  • Median home value: $273,400 (11th highest)
  • Per capita property taxes: $1,520.01 (18th highest)
  • Median household income: $71,535 (9th highest)

(30) North Carolina:

  • Effective property tax rate: 0.84%
  • Median home value: $273,400 (11th highest)
  • Per capita property taxes: $1,520.01 (18th highest)
  • Median household income: $71,535 (9th highest)

(29) Oklahoma:

  • Effective property tax rate: 0.84%
  • Median home value: $273,400 (11th highest)
  • Per capita property taxes: $1,520.01 (18th highest)
  • Median household income: $71,535 (9th highest)

(28) Indiana:

  • Effective property tax rate: 0.87%
  • Median home value: $141,100 (6th lowest)
  • Per capita property taxes: $974.87 (14th lowest)
  • Median household income: $54,181 (17th lowest)

(27) Georgia:

  • Effective property tax rate: 0.94%
  • Median home value: $173,700 (21st lowest)
  • Per capita property taxes: $1,124.80 (19th lowest)
  • Median household income: $56,183 (19th lowest)

(26) Washington:

  • Effective property tax rate: 0.96%
  • Median home value: $339,000 (5th highest)
  • Per capita property taxes: $1,408.64 (23rd highest)
  • Median household income: $70,979 (10th highest)

(25) Florida:

  • Effective property tax rate: 0.99%
  • Median home value: $214,000 (23rd highest)
  • Per capita property taxes: $1,232.26 (22nd lowest)
  • Median household income: $52,594 (12th lowest)

(24) North Dakota:

  • Effective property tax rate: 1.00%
  • Median home value: $194,700 (25th lowest)
  • Per capita property taxes: $1,221.51 (21st lowest)
  • Median household income: $61,843 (18th highest)

(23) Oregon:

  • Effective property tax rate: 1.01%
  • Median home value: $319,200 (7th highest)
  • Per capita property taxes: $1,404.16 (24th highest)
  • Median household income: $60,212 (20th highest)

(22) Alaska:

  • Effective property tax rate: 1.01%
  • Median home value: $319,200 (7th highest)
  • Per capita property taxes: $1,404.16 (24th highest)
  • Median household income: $60,212 (20th highest)

(21) Missouri:

  • Effective property tax rate: 1.02%
  • Median home value: $156,700 (13th lowest)
  • Per capita property taxes: $990.44 (16th lowest)
    Median household income: $53,578 (15th lowest)

(20) Maryland:

  • Effective property tax rate: 1.03%
  • Median home value: $312,500 (9th highest)
  • Per capita property taxes: $1,555.37 (16th highest)
  • Median household income: $80,776 (the highest)

(19) Minnesota:

  • Effective property tax rate: 1.12%
  • Median home value: $224,000 (20th highest)
  • Per capita property taxes: $1,533.52 (17th highest)
  • Median household income: $68,388 (12th highest)

(18) Massachusetts:

  • Effective property tax rate: 1.15%
  • Median home value: $385,400 (3rd highest)
  • Per capita property taxes: $2,258.22 (8th highest)
  • Median household income: $77,385 (4th highest)

(17) South Dakota:

  • Effective property tax rate: 1.21%
  • Median home value: $167,600 (17th lowest)
  • Per capita property taxes: $1,380.91 (24th lowest)
  • Median household income: $56,521 (22nd lowest)

(16) Maine:

  • Effective property tax rate: 1.23%
  • Median home value: $191,200 (24th lowest)
  • Per capita property taxes: $2,055.00 (10th highest)
  • Median household income: $56,277 (20th lowest)

(15) Kansas:

  • Effective property tax rate: 1.32%
  • Median home value: $150,600 (10th lowest)
  • Per capita property taxes: $1,440.25 (22nd highest)
    Median household income: $56,422 (21st lowest)

(14) New York:

  • Effective property tax rate: 1.40%
  • Median home value: $314,500 (8th highest)
  • Per capita property taxes: $2,696.90 (4th highest)
  • Median household income: $64,894 (14th highest)

(13) Iowa:

  • Effective property tax rate: 1.44%
  • Median home value: $149,100 (9th lowest)
  • Per capita property taxes: $1,569.22 (15th highest)
  • Median household income: $58,570 (25th highest)

(12) Pennsylvania:

  • Effective property tax rate: 1.48%
  • Median home value: $181,200 (23rd lowest)
  • Per capita property taxes: $1,480.87 (20th highest)
  • Median household income: $59,195 (24th highest)

(11) Michigan:

  • Effective property tax rate: 1.50%
  • Median home value: $155,700 (11th lowest)
  • Per capita property taxes: $1,382.10 (25th highest)
  • Median household income: $54,909 (18th lowest)

(10) Rhode Island:

  • Effective property tax rate: 1.53%
  • Median home value: $257,800 (16th highest)
  • Per capita property taxes: $2,339.34 (7th highest)
  • Median household income: $63,870 (15th highest)

(9) Ohio:

  • Effective property tax rate: 1.60%
  • Median home value: $144,200 (8th lowest)
  • Per capita property taxes: $1,271.45 (23rd lowest)
  • Median household income: $54,021 (16th lowest)

(8) Connecticut:

  • Effective property tax rate: 1.62%
  • Median home value: $273,100 (12th highest)
  • Per capita property taxes: $2,846.51 (3rd highest)
  • Median household income: $74,168 (5th highest)

(7) Nebraska:

  • Effective property tax rate: 1.67%
  • Median home value: $155,800 (12th lowest)
  • Per capita property taxes: $1,895.19 (12th highest)
  • Median household income: $59,970 (21st highest)

(6) Texas:

  • Effective property tax rate: 1.70%
  • Median home value: $172,200 (20th lowest)
  • Per capita property taxes: $1,731.37 (13th highest)
  • Median household income: $59,206 (23rd highest)

(5) Vermont:

  • Effective property tax rate: 1.72% (5th highest)
  • Median home value: $226,300 (19th highest)
  • Per capita property taxes: $2,541.72 (5th highest)
  • Median household income: $57,513 (24th lowest)

(4) Wisconsin:

  • Effective property tax rate: 1.77% (4th highest)
  • Median home value: $178,900 (22nd lowest)
  • Per capita property taxes: $1,615.71 (14th highest)
  • Median household income: $59,305 (22nd highest)

(3) New Hampshire:

  • Effective property tax rate: 1.99% (3rd highest)
  • Median home value: $263,600 (14th highest)
  • Per capita property taxes: $3,054.30 (2nd highest)
  • Median household income: $73,381 (6th highest)

(2) Illinois:

  • Effective property tax rate: 2.03% (2nd highest)
  • Median home value: $195,300 (25th highest)
  • Per capita property taxes: $2,087.44 (9th highest)
  • Median household income: $62,992 (16th highest)

(1) New Jersey:

  • Effective property tax rate: 2.16% (the highest)
  • Median home value: $334,900 (6th highest)
  • Per capita property taxes: $3,074.43 (the highest)
  • Median household income: $80,088 (2nd highest)

~Eowyn

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34 responses to “States with the highest & lowest property taxes

  1. I live in a decent, working-class neighborhood in Orange County, CA. I live in a 1900sf ranch-style home built in the ‘60s, essentially a 4 bd/2 ba crackerbox. In the late ‘90s, we bought for $270k, and the house, in all its current crumbling glory, is “worth” nearly three times what we paid for it. (Can you say “inflation”?) We pay nearly $5k a year in property taxes (no Prop 13 for us).

    We also own a little undeveloped parcel of land (maybe a full acre) in Boron, the armpit of Kern Co. Our taxes recently decreased from $60/yr to about $27/yr. Go figure.

    Can’t believe anyplace is more $$ to live than here.

     
    • I thought mine was pretty high but you’ve got me beat. I’ve been through Boron, you’re right. I had visions of Ronnie Ray-Gun and “Twenty Mule Team Borax”.

      I stayed in my trailer one night outside Boron and watched the dust devils dance across the naked plain. There may be a more depressing place but Moon travel is a ways off.

       
      • The Boron property (also known as “California City”) was sold to my husband’s grandparents in the 50s or 60s as “the next Palm Springs”. It’s not. In better days, my husband and son would go dirt bike riding out there, but I only joined them once. That was PLENTY for me.

        Anybody looking for an acre of low desert scrub land, give me a holler. I can get you a good deal. 😉

         
        • Ha, ha, that’s good. My grandparents bought land out near Bostonia once. Same type of deal. We laughed. Then they built a golf course there. They made a lot of money.

          Go figure. Rattlesnakes used to avoid the place. Too remote.

           
    • ha! got you beat…..1999 bought 2000 sq ft 3 br/2.5 ba on .25 acres for $142,000 with $4200 prop taxes in south jersey-fast forward 20 years and current home value is $230,000 with $9000 prop taxes-sick sick sick

       
      • Omg, my head very nearly exploded at your comment. NINE THOUSAND DOLLARS?? Are you sh*tting me??

        Taxation is theft. And you, my dear friend, are being hosed…we ALL are, but especially our brethren in NJ.

        🤯🤯 (it exploded TWICE, I’m so gobsmacked.)

         
  2. Please help me. I am trapped behind The Cheddar Curtain and a Democrat has just been elected Governor of Wisconsin.

     
  3. This is only half of a story. What is the total tax rate of each state. NH may have the 2 or 3 property tax rate, but there is no sales or income tax.

     
    • This post does not claim to be about total tax rate.
      You really should re-read the title of this post: “States with the highest & lowest PROPERTY taxes”.

       
  4. The house I live in cost Mom and Dad something like $41,000 when they bought it new in ’68. It was last appraised at about $136,000 two years ago,vs. the median value of $258,200’the 15th highest. Actually,I believe the LAND carries most of the value-it’s in “the tree streets”,which is apparently kind of a sought after neighborhood. I notice we have the 25th lowest median income-were it not for Gold mining up here,we’d likely be in the bottom dozen,so it appears that mining actually helps bring these two extremes closer to average.

     
    • My family were miners in Nevada. The history is pretty interesting. Talk about “boom and bust”. I used to camp in Kingston Canyon when there was nothing there. Then there was a “gold rush”. They built all sorts of things there. Now its all gone again.

       
  5. A state’s overall tax burden, including r.e. taxes, (see wallethub, eg) more closely correlates high taxes with social rot, with NY naturally taking the cake.

     
    • That certainly sounds right. After all ‘labor’ is the largest cost, generally. Whenever there is either a legitimate or artificially generated need requiring human effort the costs mount up pretty fast.

      When people live alone or in small groups and take care of themselves the costs are low. When they start demanding that “government” provide for them the costs skyrocket.

      It really shouldn’t be lost on anyone that government seldom, if ever, provides “solutions” to problems. They are VERY good at growing themselves, however. That is the nature of bureaucracy. Start one today and come back in a couple of years to discover that it has grown exponentially.

      Oddly, whatever small problem that drove its formation in the first place remains. The cost of “dealing” with it continues to increase. That’s the second rule of bureaucracy, it never commits suicide. It will keep its “problem” alive if it has to create new ones.

       
  6. I lived in Jersey for ten years and between property taxes and car insurance (highest in the country then, c.1990) paid about 15K/year. Brutal. A serious disincentive to trying to get ahead or even have some semblance of a middle-class lifestyle. Fortunately I’m over that now.

     
    • Did I read that right? $15k/year for car insurance?? I thought CA was bad (about $2200 for four old cars with better-than-minimum liability-only; we also have a male, under-25 driver). $15k in the 90s? Was New Jersey going through a period of deregulation (like what happened to CA when electricity was deregulated…what a nightmare)?

      In CA, every vehicle requires a $85(ish) “smog check” every two years in order to register the vehicle. Every four years it has to be smogged at a “STAR” station, which costs more. This, on top of exhorbitant annual registration fees that recently more than doubled. We’ve got a ‘94 Ford Ranger that costs over $100 (plus the biannual smog checks), just for the privilege of driving it.

       
    • CogitoErgoSumantra

      I was in Jersey (northeastern) a couple of years in the early ’90s. My auto insurance went from $400/yr (living in Austin, TX) to $1,600/yr (“non-dividend”) with a spotless record. Rent was 2-3x more. I couldn’t stand it, so moved away again. I asked the auto insurer (NJ Manufacturers) why it was so expensive and was told “you’re expected to be in an accident every 2 years.” I moved away before I was in any accident… Roads there were so small compared to TX too; I’d been used to wide-open highways; now I was facing a Garden State Parkway on which they’d just re-painted lanes to fit 5 cars across what had been 4 lanes. And don’t get me started on “round-abouts”.

      But I would take a 20-minute train ride into Manhattan ($7.50 round-trip, the best thing going there) and be amazed that ANYONE would drive personal cars in “the city”, but they did — and expensive ones, and they still got knocked around. Then I drove up to Boston one Spring (another nicety – day trips across several states) and decided NJ streets weren’t *that* narrow by comparison. But still, NJ was *not* for me, expense-wise or otherwise.

       
  7. I moved to New Jersey from Pennsylvania in 1963. Our neighborhood in Philly was getting bad. In 1963 one could afford to live in NJ. Since then, the Jersey politicians got everything they wanted, lotteries, gambling in Atlantic City, a State Income Tax and State Sales Tax. None of which existed in 1963. The more money the Trenton Thugs got the worse it became for the homeowners. These bums will Sheriff a senior citizen out of the home in which they raised their children just because that poor soul is now on a fixed income and unable to afford to pay up. The democrats have run this State legislature as far back as I can remember and even with republican governors we haven’t had a break. They have what they call a Senior Freeze in which they won’t increase property taxes after a certain age. However, that is little consolation to one who cannot afford to pay whatever the freeze total is. Maybe we should have just let the British keep the colonies back 243 years ago. The Founders have to be spinning in their graves.

     
  8. I’ve been studying the low tax states for maybe 5 or 6 years. Two of the states on this “low tax” ranking are in my crosshairs for retirement. For sure, unless you are a monied-millionaire in the Hollywood or tech crowd, no retiree should/can stay in CA without watching their life’s earnings melt away in a couple of years on just UTILITIES+car insurances+property taxes alone. Moving to one of these states could, in itself, pay for my move and new home mortgage within a few years compared to remaining here in CA.

    Some of those low tax states offers even OTHER lucrative enticements for retirees….like…no pensions state- taxed or no SS state-taxed….and no property tax at all if you are retired and settle in there and buy a house.

    Here’s what’s going on in low-tax WVA: it is geographically near where I grew up, so I like that: there are some towns/villages in WVA where you can live and within 30 min., be in WVA, MD, PA , and VA, and then go home. Additionally, the panhandle in the interstate 81 corridor (Martinsburg area) is within an hour’s drive on fabulously engineered interstates (81, 70 etc) of Baltimore MD, DC, Harrisburg PA, Harrisonburg VA, 20 minutes from Hagerstown, MD & Winchester, VA…and so on….great services locally and within easy reach otherwise. Plus, it’s just plain beautiful. Also, certain homes/properties in WVA are sold to you with lifetime FREE natural gas supply. Check it out. Run your house and tool up your car to run on natural gas… FREE for the rest of your life….and your retirement dollars could make YOU feel like a million. As an aside, WVA and Vermont have the lowest illegal alien populations in the USA. WVA prides itself on a program that sort of “forces” illegals to become legal….and….if you know anyone from WVA, you’d know danged well that they’d NEVER EVER EVER HIRE a grown adult, let alone an illegal, to mow their lawn, shovel snow, or pick their fruit….they do it themselves or the neighbor kid does it for a buck or so. The other state is Alabama. It is not known for great services…but, the NE corner is in the foothills of the Appalachians/Great Smokies, almost as picturesque as any New England village at Christmas…..and, within an hour or less drive from the services in Atlanta, GA, and Chattanooga, TN. When you’ve lived in CA for over 30 years and had to drive/fight traffic 20 minutes to a half hour JUST to get to your workplace less than 10 miles away every morning….and a half hour to 45 minutes to get home at “high traffic flow time”……an hour’s drive to a major service area (shopping, medical, etc) isn’t a HUGE deal for what you are trading for….. Tennessee & NC have some good things going on, too, along these lines….but, WVA and Alabama seem to be the “tops” to me, esp if you know the geography and choose accordingly.

     
    • GREAT information, Caligirl. We’ve got a way to go before retirement, but it’ll go fast, and we, too, are working on our plan. We’re looking at some of the desert states with higher elevations, but we may buy a motor home and take a year or so to see what we like. I’d not be adverse to just the right “intentional community”, though I think I could go it alone if I had to, as long as I had internet access (I’m pretty solitary by nature).

       
      • High desert/high elevation cheaper states: Idaho, Wyoming, rural Arizona. Utah is gorgeous, but no matter what anything you access online says…it costs you DOUBLE to live there, as tho’ it were ALASKA shipping rates for every amenity—bread, shoes, shoe-laces….eggs….HOUSING……and anything you can buy for double the price, is inferior by half of things you could get in the “regular world.” We used to have a saying when I lived there (6 years) that Utah “was its own planet.”

        We’ve also been considering the year-of-living-in a motor home while tootling around to find “our place.” (But, we have a lot of PETS). Ditto, the internet access 🙂

        Now, the only experiences I can give you on these states is…..Wyoming drove me crazy b/c of the near state-wide WIND that never ceases…..so awful in the winter and the spring. Idaho is GORGEOUS, but very cold–like high desert Utah. If you love to snuggle-in for a long winter at very cold temps…with someone you like to be with, in front of a fire, maybe with friends invited in for Smores at the fireplace and hot chocolate (and you DO NOT HAVE ELECTRIC baseboard heat…but maybe gas forced-hot-air heat) you could revel in it. It is very GREEN springs/summers salt of the Earth people….then rural, farming Idaho is for you. (Actually, I lived with winters like this in Utah and it was a formative and wonderful part of raising my kids in a small, connected community through these winters). High altitude Arizona (high desert) is , IMO much nicer than the low, hot desert of Phoenix, etc. The high, cool mountains of Arizona are a fair balance of hot and cool/cold….like, for instance, Flagstaff, and the people are nice and down-to-earth. I wouldn’t live in Colorado, ever, for any price. I used to describe it as the place where people who were on the way to Calfiornia ran out of money and had to settle down/stay. That was going on 40 years ago, and it’s still true IMO.

        There is a “banana belt” in Montana that I don’t know much about…where the climate is milder than one would think…..NW corner…….I never experienced it so I can’t really tell you anything first-hand about it…but sounds interesting and a “possibility.” 🙂 Cheers.

         
        • I have heard about Wyoming winds; my only experience was a week-long wagon-train trip I took with my parents when I was six, outside Jackson Hole. I remember a LOT of mosquitoes!

          I love the idea of Coeur d’Lane (sp?), but I’ve only lived in Southern CA or Seattle…I worry that adapting to a “truly-country” life could be tough. I think it would depend on the town: I’d prefer staying away from the highly incestuous ones, where everyone’s related, or practically so. The rub is that it can be hard to tell at first…is it a nice, solid community, or is it a weird little fiefdom, ruled by the local despot.

          I’ve always been fond of Flagstaff. I grew up spending summers in Durango (not the same place today as it was in the 70s/early 80s), and we often passed through Flagstaff on our way. My BIL just moved to Surprise, AZ and loves it; he keeps pestering us to move. We will, eventually, God willing, but not for another 10 years, probably.

          If we went to Utah, we’d probably go to someplace in Sanpete County. We’re Mormon (enough to fit in; probably not enough to want to), which helps in UT. As much as I’ve resisted the idea (heaven knows, I do NOT want to live around that many Saints), if TSHTF, there are worse places to be than around a bunch of Mormons. But I’d prefer someplace like Flagstaff or even Sedona (so weird but SO beautiful!).

           
    • CogitoErgoSumantra

      I’d second WV. Almost Heaven… Grandma’s farm on the mountain.
      And maybe OH-KY-IN-TN, but for pretty brutal winters. And humid summers.

      I’ve told friends & family that I’m likely headed back to Texas soon, as I get a hankering for the warmth again, but it’ll likely be further from the craziness of Austin (lower expenses that way, too). I don’t really know too many in TX anymore; it’s been 30 years. Doesn’t seem possible.

      And many from my dad’s family have retired to NC, so there’s that option too.

      Go where there’s good people, CalGirl. That’s my advice. Neighbors, especially; but also the city/region folks in general… You don’t want to be miserable dealing with idiots in real life.

       
      • Exactly, Cogito–go for the “GOOD PEOPLE.” We look forward to one day retiring to a place where, once again, we can share a Sunday service with friends and neighbors, trading garden produce and seeds, coming together in joy and sorrow; looking out/caring for our neighbors as they look out/care for us—-these things amongst others. We’ve not had this for many, many, many years here in California. We have a 6-foot iron fence around our property, and if we didn’t have it, we couldn’t use our own property in safety or without harassment…..and….we do NOT live in a CA metro area where you would expect me to say this…we live in an area that used to be classed by the county as “R2” or, “residential rural”….moved up into to “city-hood” 30 years later due to population growth. The neighbors with whom we had a “neighborly” or “community” relationship with, retired and moved out, and were replaced by Orange County/LA County investors. We are surrounded by the same as each year unfolds. No neighborhood, no “community,” and for us, no future. We are one of the last “originals” in our neighborhood. Time to go.

         
  9. Those of us here will understand about the taxes which are mentioned inside this article. Most people in America today couldn’t understand it, even if they would, could, and did, read it.

    “The 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913 (which some scholars maintain was never properly ratified), the Social Security Act of 1936, Joint House Resolution 192 of 1933, and various State income taxes established this major Marxist coup in the United States many decades ago. These taxes continue to drain the lifeblood out of the American economy and greatly reduce the accumulation of desperately needed capital for future growth, business starts, job creation, and salary increases.”

    http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20Government/Communism/10_planks.htm

     
  10. When I lived in NJ I had a business with a “fleet” of vehicles, two vans, a small truck, and a car, so about 10K/year for insurance and property taxes were about 600 dollars a month. This was Passaic County, I knew people in Bergen County who paid 15-20K/year for taxes. This was ostensibly to pay for the school system and people would move there for that and end up house poor but their kids would get a “good” education. Traffic was a major factor re: how you organized your life; at rush hour all the major highways became parking lots. I grew up in rural Maine and NJ was culture shock for me, everybody seemed to be in a hurry all the time and I developed health problems and eventually relocated to the Berkshires. A lovely unique place but unfortunately part of the People’s Benevolent Socialist Republic of Taxachusetts, a statist cesspit. Got to get out of here and wide open to suggestions. Maine is gone, overrun by Somali “refugees”. Put Somali Muslims in towns populated by French-Canadian Catholics, culturally as different as chalk and cheese. What genius thought that was a good idea?

     
    • @William,
      Cultural Marxist (((Kalergists))) brought those Somali Judeo-Muslims to Maine, Minnesota etc to destroy those formerly White, Christian, safe, & prosperous areas. West Virginia drives them crazy, because it is one of the Whitest, & poorest, but has one of the lowest crime rates in the nation.
      Our enemies try and hide the facts that scholars like Madison Grant, Lothrop Stoddard etc tried to warn us about. Its not income rates, that correlate to crime rates. It is always based on Race (or sp, subspecies).
      A fact they are desperate to hide and hate.

      “Truth is hate to those who hate the truth”

       
      • Not familiar with Kalergists but will add Stoddard and Grant to my ever-lengthening to-read list, thanks. Although it is glaringly obvious that the (((architects))) of social policy intend to demographically displace or exterminate white European Christians, I am late to awaken to that fact. I am at least aware now of my own ignorance. The Somalis in Maine were settled mainly in Lewiston, a dying mill town and my former home. French-Canadian immigrants came to Lewiston in the 1850’s to work in the textile mills. Facing there own nativist resentments, they wanted to show that they were contributing citizens and built, through their own efforts, the magnificent Basilique Sts. Pierre et Paul, a small, by European standards, cathedral. What will the Somalis contribute except crime and poverty. Back in the mid-nineties there was a rally organized by students of Bates College in Lewiston, a small very expensive private school with very high academic standards. Few if any Bates students are from Lewiston. They had a march with speeches and so on to welcome the Somalis. There were also ATF sharpshooters on rooftops along the way, no idea why. Lewistonians were mainly befuddled; who are dese people, eh? But multiculturalism/demographic displacement was imposed on them at gunpoint. Local media gave the Somalis credit for “revitalizing” the area. Seriously. I have nothing against Somalis but if it were within my power I’d say, look, life is hard but you don’t belong here. So you’ve got six months, work hard, save your pennies, and then go back to Mogadishu and revitalize that. Buh-bye, keep in touch. Something like that. Sorry to go so far off topic (high taxes).

         
    • Q: “What”genius” thought this was a good idea?”
      A: Barack Insane Obama.
      Amplification: Just like when he dumped off thousands and thousands of illegals by the US Gov’t black/unmarked busloads into small town and rural areas of our country, calling them “unaccompanied minors” (when most of them were young males over age 20 or even 30—and I know whereof I speak b/c of what we experienced here in SoCal directly IN OUR FACES). Barack Insane Obama wanted/promised to “fundamentally change” our country….and all those light-headed, giddy, totally enamored (“thrill up my leg”) voters ( much less the US press) never ASKED or KNEW or suspected the ways in which he meant to do this……but this was definitely ONE of the them.

       
  11. Flanders,
    Your points are dead right. The War Between The States, was the first successful Marxist revolution, bringing US a all powerful central government, which is a cornerstone of Marxism. The Confederates wanted to have our first constitution the Articles Of Confederation as the Constitution, which was a weak central government, and stronger State governments.
    Reading a book about Shay’s Rebellion, what really stood out, was the author’s noting how the Liberal/Bolshevik’s beloved Alexander Hamilton, was the main briber of state’s representatives to vote for the Constitution, with its strong central government, and against the Articles Of Confederation. Another interesting point, was (Jacobin?) Alexander Hamilton dissuaded the states who wanted to pay off the debt incurred by the patriot follower’s of Daniel Shay’s, creating the term “Recycling of the debt” so that the banks would have their hands in government and paying them “interest” and thus debt bondage slaves of the taxpayers.

     
  12. Florida???? Hell no, we are so very poor – Ft. Lauderdale, Miami, crisis in a residential neighborhood -homeless, drug addicts, sleeping in parks, hanging wet clothes to dry on trees, needles, panhandling, bathing in public (at least sone are clean) City Commission unable to get rid of the element and people afraid to go in he park. The “wave” is moving fast.

     
  13. In the 1980s I was shocked when learning that New Hampshire, the Live Free to Die state, had such rapacious property taxes.

     
  14. Trotsky's Icepick

    All of this is subject to change as the Communist Party USA also known as the democrats imports millions of future voters so they can stack congress.
    Locally it has went from rural route farms and ranches to a ten plus mile four lane highway stretch of eyesore stripmalls, vinyl siding estates and particle board apartments.
    Sometimes you don’t hear any English being spoken at some stores and shops in these stripmalls.
    Almost all of the new comrades are future democrat voters. Hussein Hopenchange made sure they came here because this state has voted republican for well over 100 years.

     

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