Should Constitutional Protections Apply to the Practice of Islam in America?

I am delighted that Dave from Atlanta took on the difficult but urgently needed task of how Islam should be treated in America. Is Islam like other religions? If it is fundamentally different in nature and intent from other faiths, should its practitioners be accorded the same First Amendment rights of freedom of religion? Thought provoking. Highly recommend!
~Eowyn 

Under Islamic Sharia law, adultery is punishable by death by stoning


Should Constitutional Protections Apply to the Practice of Islam in America?
By D. Bouchard (aka Dave from Atlanta)
A columnist for Fellowship of the Minds
There is a certain naïveté on the part of many Americans in that we assume Muslims are entitled to the same freedom of religion in this country which other Americans enjoy. In the great debate over the proposed Ground Zero mosque, I also have repeated the popular mantra: “Sure they have a constitutional right to build the mosque there, but is it the respectful thing to do?” However, based on some recent reading I have done, I now have to say “Wait, not so fast. It may be that Muslims don’t have the constitutional right to build the mosque near Ground Zero.” Let me explain by examining what the U.S. Constitution actually says about religious rights.
The first part of the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution states, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof….” In the United States, we hold the “separation of church and state” as a sacred tenet and part of our cultural heritage. Our history is replete with stories of the Quakers and other fundamentalist groups who founded the first American colonies to seek freedom from religious persecution in England and Europe. 
The Founding Fathers intended the Constitution and its limits on government to be rooted in God-given freedoms. At the same time, the Founding Fathers were children of the Enlightenment who valued the human capacity for reason. And so they designed a government of reasoned principles, not based on religious dogma, which in our modern age is understood as the “separation of church and state” — words not found in the Constitution but in Thomas Jefferson’s letter to the Danbury Baptist’s Association in 1802: “wall of separation between church and state.”
Due to this socio-political heritage, it is easy for us to make the assumption that religion is by nature not government, and that government is not religion. I am by no means a religious scholar, but I have seen enough information lately to know that Islam, one of the world’s biggest religions by population, is quite different from our American idea of religion.
Islam, by nature and by its founder’s intent, is both a religion AND a political system. The establishment of Islam as the political system of theocracy is through Sharia law. In other words, there is no wall of separation between the Islamic “church” and state. Wherever Islam becomes firmly established, Muslims have attempted to usurp the political system there by Sharia law. The examples below will make clear the fundamental incompatibility of Sharia law and US Constitutional law. The two cannot coexist.
In the Judeo- Christian tradition, we have the Ten Commandments. The Ten Commandments originate in the Pentateuch — Judaism’s Torah and the first five books of Christianity’s Old Testament, believed to have been authored by Moses. Understood to be God’s Laws, those commandments had provided a basic framework for Western civilization. Although the West adapted much of the intent of those ten laws, the ten commandments were not applied verbatim to Western government. As an example, it is illegal to commit murder (“Thou shall not kill”), but it is not illegal to fail to observe the holiness of the Sabbath. The Sabbath is strictly a religious observation and is therefore exempt from enforceable laws.
Religious freedom is one of the core tenets of American freedom. We hold religious freedom very close to our hearts, so it is very difficult for Americans to think in terms of limiting religious freedom for anyone. However, due to the nature and aspiration of Islam, our generosity may be our undoing if we keep extending those same freedoms to Muslims in this country. In order to protect our way of life and the Constitution, we must draw a very clear delineation between Islam as a faith and Islam as a governmental system.
The fact that Islam is both a religion and a political system provokes many questions regarding Islam’s protected status in this country: What is the legal definition of “religion”? Is a religion that is also a political system still just a religion? Can a religion whose political tenets conflict with the Constitution be afforded religious protection? How can we, as a people, be protected from the encroachment of the Islamic practices that are already usurping the Constitution of the United States in some areas in this country? Should we challenge the status of Islam as a protected religion in this country? For our very survival, do we need a landmark decision stating that recognizing Islam being both a religion and an aspiring (if not actual) theocracy, the practice of Islam therefore should not be accorded the same protection that we give other faiths?
To evaluate the possible threat to this country by the steady encroachment of Islam, we need only to look at the history and recent experiences of countries like France, Britain, Iran and Turkey to see Islam’s totalitarian grasp on its host society as the number of practicing Muslims increases in that country. The United States can be an exception to that pattern only if Muslims practice their religion without invoking and imposing Sharia law.
Mike Ghouse is an American Muslim and religious scholar who maintains that “public sharia” must be left behind in America while “private Sharia” should continue to be practiced by Muslims. In his own words, “We can retain the private Sharia and let go of the public Sharia; the civil laws of our nation provide ample justice, and we don’t need a duplicate system. Sharia law was never considered divine to begin with. Hence, there is no need to even dream about it.” At the same time, however, Ghouse also states that many Muslims are led to believe that Sharia law is divine.”
Ghouse was not only trying to allay the fears of Americans, he was also trying to teach Muslims that Sharia law is not needed in this country. But many of his faith believe differently. At the same time as he tries to paint a moderate face on Islam in America, Ghouse singled out several people on the political right (whose faith in Christianity is perhaps equally as intense as his own) as being hate-mongers against Islam: “This may be bad news for the likes of Bridgette Gabriel, Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, John Hagee and a host of other right-wingers, who thrive on selling hate and painting chaotic scenarios.” So even a man who claims to be a voice of reason trying to chart a peaceful course for Muslims in America cannot restrain himself from slinging a little mud at Christians who have expressed concerns regarding the spread of Islam in this country.
At the very least, there is a huge chasm of understanding between the traditional Judeo-Christian beliefs in this country and those of Islam. At worst, we are quietly being overrun by a primitive, totalitarian religion-ideology whose aim is the destruction of the US Constitution and western civilization itself. How can we, as Americans, feel safe in allowing Muslim communities to grow and flourish in America when all of the examples we have seen thus far of Muslim incursions into Europe and the Middle East have resulted in the barbaric practices of stoning and beheading, and the oppression of women and religious minorities, especially Christians and Jews?
Until we have a viable, proven model of an American Islam that assimilates into the larger culture and respects as ultimate law the U.S. Constitution instead of Sharia, Americans should be very wary of granting instant “religious freedom” to practitioners of Islam. In my mind, and based on what I have seen and heard thus far, Islam is really not a religion as we understand it. It is a religion that is also a totalitarian political ideology. Until we have established a legal precedent that clearly defines the “free” expression of Islam as excluding the practice of Sharia law, Americans should be on guard against the spread of Islam in this country.
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The American Thinker has exposed 10 pillars and beliefs within Sharia law that are contrary to American laws:

  1. Islam commands that drinkers and gamblers should be whipped.
  2. Islam allows husbands to hit their wives even if the husbands merely fear highhandedness in their wives.
  3. Islam allows an injured plaintiff to exact legal revenge-physical eye for physical eye.
  4. Islam commands that a male and female thief must have a hand cut off.
  5. Islam commands that highway robbers should be crucified or mutilated.
  6. Islam commands that homosexuals must be executed.
  7. Islam orders unmarried fornicators to be whipped and adulterers to be stoned to death.
  8. Islam orders death for Muslim and possible death for non-Muslim critics of Muhammad, the Quran, and Sharia.
  9. Islam orders apostates to be killed.
  10. Islam commands offensive and aggressive and unjust jihad.

Quran verses calling Muslims to war with nonbelievers:

  • Quran (2:191-193): “And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution of Muslims is worse than slaughter of non-believers and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah.”
  • Quran (2: 216): “Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.”
  • Quran (3:56): “As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help.”
  • Quran (3:151): “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority.” This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity.
  • Quran (4:74): “Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.”

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0 responses to “Should Constitutional Protections Apply to the Practice of Islam in America?

  1. This is tripe, and utter bullshit.
    There are the same sorts of “laws” in the Old Testiment, but we don’t allow the stoning of disobedient children, the stoning of prostitutes, etc. in the US.
    Freedom of belief is not freedom of action, in the sense of doing harm to others.
    This article is fearmongering propaganda.
    Constitutional protections should be afforded to anyone within the jurisdiction of the United States. That would mean protection ofthe potential victims of religious fanaticism–as well as the freedom of worship.

     
    • Hybrid,
      You are new to this blog. You should read our “About” page for the ground rules. Vulgar language (“bullsh*t”) will get you banned. You should also try being civil. You are forewarned.
      ~Eowyn, owner & administrator

       
    • I am more knowledgable in history than you might imagine my xenophobic “co-founder”.
      If you wish to employ Full Spectrum Dominance here, have fun talking amongst yourselves.
      Thanks for the cookies and milk.
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      • Hybrid,
        Did you even read Dave from Atlanta’s op/ed? He proposes that until Muslims demonstrate (1) that they are willing to assimilate into American culture, which includes a respect for our laws; and (2) that they can, will, and do separate Sharia law from their practice of Islam, we ought to be careful and guarded toward Muslims. To do otherwise is to commit cultural and eventually political suicide as well.
        Why is this suggestion so awful, so unreasonable? Why did Dave’s post generate such an immediate, violent, and disdainful response from you?
        And for someone who prides himself as being “knowledgeable in history,” you sure are not knowledgeable about current events –the increasing encroachment of Islam into Denmark, Sweden, France, the UK, and the rest of West Europe.
        Steve did not use vulgarities like your “bullsh*t” and — in a comment that I deleted — “sh*t.” Steve called Morris a putz. You don’t like that so you pile on the insults of “cookies & milks,” thereby implying that we’re immature children here. Then you declare you’re leaving. To which I say “Byee!”

         
        • Well, like certain folk at the Justice Department, he didn’t even read what he was complaining about first… it’s the idea of it he dislikes, you know, why spoil things with learning what one is actually complaining about?

           
        • that they are willing to assimilate into American culture.
          Americans don’t assimilate and the the citizens are more criminal than muslims. We didn’t follow their laws whne we assimilated there to rob, plunder and kill a million or two of their citizenry.
          If you want them to assimilate, tell them that a legal government no longer exists here but we have laws that protect these criminals and that if your connected you can not only commit adultery, but grand theft, pedophilia, murder and treason. All under the guise of National Security. That would have kept me from coming here in advance.
          Dave from Atlanta – might be director from CIA , if not tragic victim of the left/right paradigm and the Divide and Conquer dialectic.

           
      • I freaking love oreos!!!

         
  2. Eowyn, owner & administrator,
    Thank you for your heads up on that. I will remember that. I have no problem with language rules.
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  3. You are correct;
    Enjoy your Presidents promote homosexuality, your pill popping society, genocidal wars, vaccinations, alcohol abuse, and debt slavery.
    In all seriousness religion is the last thing I would have ever looked for – but the ghastliness of what is unfolding makes Islam look like the last hope.
    And all the birth defects, murders and torturing perpretated by your land of the free – do indeed make the term infidels sound correct.

     
  4. “In all seriousness religion is the last thing I would have ever looked for – but the ghastliness of what is unfolding makes Islam look like the last hope.”
    –Morris
    I disagree with you Morris. I think our best last hope is our first best hope; The Declaration of Independence; holding those Truths that are self evident as such.
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  5. I hope it is okay to present an alternate perspective on this subject that just came to my attention at Revolt of the Plebes:
    http://revoltoftheplebs.wordpress.com/2010/10/01/the-arabs-run-hollywood-and-i-can-prove-it/#comment-1624
    If this is verboten please forgive, and as administrator I am sure you can remove the post.
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  6. The Declaration of Independence, I am not familiar with, can it offer independence from Corporations, banks, Lobbies, Fiat money?
    The unfortunate reality is the US is now involved in murder, most often of civilians, torture and generally stripping away any civil rights.

     
  7. “The Declaration of Independence, I am not familiar with, can it offer independence from Corporations, banks, Lobbies, Fiat money?”
    –Morris
    Only with the vigilance of the people, just like any other creed.
    The Declaration is the most elegant political document yet penned by man.
    You should read it sometime…it is on your search engine.
    As Far as trusting the Taliban–why would you? They were radicalized by Western Intelligence in order to create a fanatical enemy for the Soviets in the 1980s. This is open history for anyone willing to do the research.
    Just like the ‘Western Toilet’–al Qaeda, a cutout of western intel.
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  8. You can ban me Steve – You can defend the false flaggers – who led you to wars – who knocked down your World Trade Towers – the Bush’s and Cheney’s – your patriots – who cripple and soak your nation dry – and yes, their cabal now with frontman obama will be taking your weapons away.

     
  9. Freedom of Religion does not mean Freedom of Islam (although some adherents believe it does and then some). Islam’s right to swing its proverbial fist ends when it comes into contact with another faith’s nose (or, at least, those of that faith’s adherents). As Charles James Napier said (although about Suttee in Hindu India): “You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; [then] beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours.” (Granted, he was the governor in India and the locals didn’t impose Suttee upon the British, but neither should honor killings, female genital mutilation and beating of infidels until they convert be tolerated here either.)

     
  10. Why do the British hate America so much?

     
  11. Most certainly Islam can be treated differently from other religions. THEY are JUST that, religions. Islam is an entire system of law. It does not recognize any law but its own, and it certainly does NOT recognize our constitution. Therefore it is not compatible with our system of government, and needs to be contained. But that is going to be impossible in this country. So prepare for HELL on earth.

     
  12. Good post Dave.
    Sharia Law is the goal and it is not compatible with our laws. I’m sick and tired of defenders saying it’s a religion of “peace” with moderate Muslims. The Koran is their bible and it must be followed. I for one don’t want Sharia Law in my country in any shape or form.

     
  13. There is nothing in the constitution that gives rights to terrorists, or wanna be religions like Islam.

     
  14. Aleksander Martin

    My name is Aleksander Martin, or so I say I am. I live in Queensland, Australia, and like to spend all my time insulting people and trolling on an American blog. I find everything to nitpick, even making an issue of Eowyn’s hyperlinking, which is a responsible way of writing by pointing readers to her sources.
    I have no respect for anyone, not least for my hosts and their blog’s stated policy and ground rules. By name-calling my American hosts “A-hole,” I’ve merely demonstrated my lack of civility and low level of education. I’m also a blaspheming God-hater.
    Why I spend so much time and energy spewing my hate at everyone on this blog, writing more than 10 hate-filled successive comments on various threads, is a matter for psychiatric professionals. I live a miserable chaotic life, a malcontent with no inner peace.
    I’m also really really stupid because I actually imagine that this blog’s owner-administrator, that same Eowyn whose hyperlinking I so object, will tolerate my noxious spews and allow them to stay. How stupid is that!
    UPDATE: When I discovered that my rage-filled comments have all been deleted, I then whine that this blog is UNFAIR. In other words, I can dish it out, but if my targets hit back, then I cry for my mommy. I’m a perfect example of the hateful rude “I’m a victim!” Left.

     
  15. what terrible terrible news this is, poor stupid australian.

     
  16. One of the problems here is that we have accorded religious status to so many fringe “religions” sects, cults and tax exempt wannabes that we can’t exclude Islam now. Religious freedoms should be accorded to religions whose stated mission goal is peace, love, respect etc… not Jihad, polygamy, devil worshipping etc… It takes more to be a religion than having people pray to something/someone, it is a peaceful ideology and wholesome way of life…………….That said, I finally took Steve’s advice and was able to fire off some rounds from that gun I’ve been storing….I like it, No one , no pseudo religion and no gov’t ideology is gonna f**k with me now. I’m starting my own religion and life ideology….It’s called leave me and my family alone.

     
    • Hallelujah, micro!
      That’s the spirit of the Founding Fathers and early pioneers: self-reliance, personal responsibility, and freedom!
      Sending you a virtual hug. 😉

       
  17. Everyone here is foused on the 1%. Those from Zion to Xian to Muslim. They muck it up for the other 99 who don’t care to euthanize or behead anyone.
    Get with the agenda and stop politicking and playing their game.

     
  18. I think morris should visit coto. He knows the score. That is, if he agrees that England is still out in front of the U.S. with it’s big brother agenda. Not to say the U.S. isn’t gaining fast………

     
  19. Oh and Steve. I’m sorry for your loss on 9/11. But to honor the victims, we absolutely must have a proper investigation into that horrible day. For that matter, do your own research. Any critical thinking person who looks at the events of that day will come away knowing the “official” story is just a fairytale.
    We especially owe it to the brave rescue workers.. fireman, police & civilian volunteers who are dying from severe lung damage while our so called government looks the other way. Just as they do when our servicemen come home maimed or psychologically damaged by the corporate wars for profit which they fight in the name of protecting our “freedom.” While at home our civil liberties are being stripped away and a totalitarian state is being systematically implemented.
    Don’t be jerk and tell me to take off my tin foil hat. It’s time you take off your rose colored glasses. Remember how you wondered why the German people let Hitler & the nazis get away with their crimes? You’re letting the same thing happen here.

     
  20. We never granted constitutional rights to the Japanese or the Germans who were caught on American soil aiding our enemies during WWII.
    Why should the jihadists be granted constitutional protections while we are at war with them?
    As an aside here, the political correctness displayed on this thread by these stoopid newbie trolls is proof positive that Western Society may very well have become too stoopid to survive for much longer, as these brainwashed bucket-carriers for the camel-washers don’t have the survival instincts of a buffalo.
    -Dave

     
  21. BTW, you government-educated trolls,
    The Constitution of the United States was never intended to be, nor is it now, a national suicide pact.
    -Dave

     
  22. Steve,
    Yeah, the libs aren’t going to fare to well under sharia law, as theirs will be the very first necks stretched out across the chopping blocks.
    The best part is, they are too stoopid to realize that. 🙂
    -Dave

     
  23. Key word: practice. The practice of Islam is not limited to salat, zakat, iman & hajj. It includes Jihad.
    Islam is inseverable; no part of it can be rejected or neglected. Doubters & dissenters are directed to 13:36.
    Believers are only those who strive hard and fight in Allah’s cause with their wealth and their lives. Doubters & dissenters are directed to 8:2-13, 9:111 & 49:15.
    Annual attacks upon kuffar are a religious obligation: fard al-kifaya. If you do not comprehend those concepts, try this link and read from o9.0 through o9.9. Turn back to o9.1 and re-read the last two paragraphs until you understand them.
    http://www.islamicbulletin.com/free_downloads/resources/reliance_complete.pdf#page=617
    If there is a right to practice Islam, then all our human rights are abrogated. If you do not comprehend this fatal fact, open your copy of Sahih Bukhari to 1.8.387 and read it slowly & carefully until you can answer these questions correctly.
    1. What was Moe ordered to do?
    2. Are our blood & property sacred to Muslims?
    3. How do we obtain rights?
    Intelligent and open minded readers should now be ready to sign and propagate the Outlaw Islam!! & International Qur’an petitions.

     
    • Thank you for your insightful and intelligent comment. Indeed, the key word is “practice.” If, as it is the case, being a practicing Muslim necessarily includes the practice of Jihad, that would violate U.S. laws.
      I also appreciate the message and humor in your chosen alias, “dajjal,” which of course means the Islamic Anti-Christ. 😉
      http://www.islam.tc/prophecies/masdaj.html

       
  24. Tom the Center Winger

    This bullcrap is disgusting. It is built entirely on false fearmongering stereotypes! Seriously “Wherever Islam becomes firmly established, Muslims have attempted to usurp the political system there by Sharia law” ” the encroachment of the Islamic practices that are already usurping the Constitution of the United States in some areas in this country”… seriously?
    What’s next? “Should constitutional protections apply to Black people because they are violent and stupid? But they are violent and stupid… and they’re taking over America! They are! Black people are violent and stupid! Black people are violent and stupid!Black people are violent and stupid!Black people are violent and stupid!Black people are violent and stupid!Black people are violent and stupid!Black people are violent and stupid! (is it true yet? no? better keep repeating until it is)”
    Here is one that is fully true – Islamophobes are bigots with the IQ of dirt and are UNAmerican, we should deport them all.
    But if the truth be known it’s those dirty un-washed heathen libs..IE. Janeanne Garofolo.
    _______________________________
    right winger and left wingers suck – the only good American wingers are Center Wingers – so its a good thing the overwhelming majority of America is a beautifully centered country

     

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