Saint Paul describes the process that leads to LGBT

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In Saint Paul’s day, Rome was completely perverted. In the first chapter of his letter to Roman Christians, he explains the process that lead to that condition. He also adds a stern reminder that we have also have been forgiven all our sins, and must not judge. God’s purpose is to seek and safe the lost sheep, and rescue them from their sins.


It happened in Rome before it happened here

They ignored the real God and replaced Him with their own version

When they wouldn’t listen, God said, “Have it your way”

“The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.
Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
a_aids_finalBecause of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. gayteacherThey are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.”

– Romans 1:18-32


Our children are the target

Children sitting inside school bus

They deserve our protection

But wait

God actually wants to rescue them from this lifestyle death style!

“You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. Now we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. So when you, a mere human being, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment? Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance?”
– Romans 2:1-4

St. Jude offers a word of caution

Be very careful in dealing with perversion

But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. They said to you, ‘In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.’ These are the people who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.

But you, dear friends, by building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit, keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.

Be merciful to those who doubt; save others by snatching them from the fire; to others show mercy, mixed with fear—hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh.

– Jude 1:17-23


God hates the sin, but loves the sinner.

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  1. Good quote from St. Paul, TD.
    But you’ll have to forgive me, for I honestly don’t understand what “judge” in “Do not judge them” means. I know leftwing trolls who get on FOTM constantly use that against us.
    From the Oxford Dictionary (
    Judge (verb):
    1. Form an opinion or conclusion about.
    2. Decide a case or give a verdict in court.
    3. Decide the results of a competition.
    We can rule out definition #3.
    You can’t mean by “do not judge them” definition #2, because we are not in court nor do we have a say in God’s Last Judgment.
    That leaves definition #1. So are you telling us we are not to “form an opinion or conclusion about” LGBT behaviors like sodomy, fisting, ingestion of urine & feces, “nacho party” …. ? Not to mention in the long quote you included in your post, Romans 1:18-32, isn’t St. Paul doing exactly that — “form an opinion or conclusion about”?
    I am confused….

    • You are right, Dr. Eowyn. In fact, after I put that up, all my memories of the “don’t judge” crowd came rushing up into my face. It definitely needs clarification. I will change the subhead to reflect your advice.
      What I’m trying to do is make sure we don’t stop reading at the end of chapter 1, without seeing the context of the next four verses in chapter 2, which remind us that we have also sinned, and God’s desire is for these guys is not death, but repentance and be salvation.
      I will tack on a qualifying scripture from Jude, that warns us about how to deal with the completely perverted.

      • TD, I really do understand your very excellent and compassionate injunction to love the sinner, not the sin. But so many sinners don’t get the distinction, esp. the LGBT crowd, because they IDENTIFY and DEFINE their very selves by their sexual proclivities and behaviors — which means if we “hate” or disapprove of their sin, they take it personally as hating them.
        My dear Godsister, FOTM’s joandarc, has a son who has disowned her because she does not approve of his open and flagrant homosexual behavior (he has HIV but still engages in sex). This is the same son whom Joan single-handedly took care of when he was gravely ill as a child, with no help from her then-husband. This is also the son whom Joan will again take care of, despite her own many severe maladies, if his HIV progresses to full-blown AIDS.
        I’m honestly flummoxed as to how to reach out to them.

        • I am perplexed too, Dr. Eowyn. The only thing I can think of is to pray for them, and at opportune moments express our love. That would mean I would NEVER deal with them when they are at a gay rights parade. But if in a quiet moment, there is a chance to tell them Jesus will forgive their sins if they repent, that might help them.
          A couple of our neighbors are recently “married” gays. They are nice guys, and we are friendly with them. I pray for them, and can hardly think of anything else to do.
          It’s a horrible sin, and yet a number of my art school friends were rescued from it by turning to Jesus in the 1970s.
          Meanwhile, we must fight all encroachment by LGBT fascists into our schools and government. And I thank God that Billy Crystal spoke up. I have no idea about his sexuality, but he is definitely someone I would think of as friendly with the Hollywood crowd.
          PS: I will pray for joandarc and her son. Her heartache and frustration must be awful.
          PPS: Although I know anyone can be forgiven if they repent and submit to the lordship of Jesus Christ, I still can’t even begin to deal with some of the perverted things people are doing. The perverted taco party you spoke of is too hideous for me. And that book, “50 Shades of Gray,” that is trying to popularize sad masochistic behavior, represents a huge threat to our society.

  2. As also said by Kipling in “The Gods of the Copybook Headings”:
    As I pass through my incarnations in every age and race,
    I make my proper prostrations to the Gods of the Market-Place.
    Peering through reverent fingers I watch them flourish and fall.
    And the Gods of the Copybook Headings, I notice, outlast them all.
    We were living in trees when they met us. They showed us each in turn,
    That water would certainly wet us, as Fire would certainly burn:
    But we found them lacking in Uplift, Vision, and Breadth of Mind,
    So we left them to teach the Gorillas while we followed the March of Mankind.
    We moved as the Spirit listed. They never altered their pace,
    Being neither cloud nor wind-borne like the Gods of the Market-Place;
    But they always caught up with our progress, and presently word would come
    That a tribe had been wiped off its icefield, or the lights had gone out in Rome.
    With the Hopes that our World is built on they were utterly out of touch.
    They denied that the Moon was Stilton; they denied she was even Dutch.
    They denied that Wishes were Horses; they denied that a Pig had Wings.
    So we worshiped the Gods of the Market Who promised these beautiful things.
    When the Cambrian measures were forming, They promised perpetual peace.
    They swore, if we gave them our weapons, that the wars of the tribes would cease.
    But when we disarmed They sold us and delivered us bound to our foe,
    And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: “Stick to the Devil you know.”
    On the first Feminian Sandstones we were promised the Fuller Life
    (Which started by loving our neighbor and ended by loving his wife)
    Till our women had no more children and the men lost reason and faith,
    And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: “The Wages of Sin is Death.”
    In the Carboniferous Epoch we were promised abundance for all,
    By robbing selective Peter to pay for collective Paul;
    But, though we had plenty of money, there was nothing our money could buy,
    And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: “If you don’t work you die.”
    Then the Gods of the Market tumbled, and their smooth-tongued wizards withdrew,
    And the hearts of the meanest were humbled and began to believe it was true
    That All is not Gold that Glitters, and Two and Two make Four
    And the Gods of the Copybook Headings limped up to explain it once more.
    As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man
    There are only four things certain since Social Progress began:
    That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her mire,
    And the burnt Fool’s bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the Fire;
    And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins
    When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,
    As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn,
    The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!

  3. In one sense, we must judge: Did this person do this crime or not? That is what jury duty is for. In another sense we must judge: As a yellow cab driver in New York, I must judge whom I will allow in my cab. (And I will tell you: If I don’t like the way you look, you don’t get in.)
    In another sense we must judge: Is this person I’m dealing with trustworthy? Would I let my daughter date him? Would I lend him money? Etc., etc.
    We must judge all the time. I hope the sexual perverts, monsters, thieves and murderers all repent. If they truly repent, they can be forgiven. But here I must always remember: I MYSELF am a lost sheep, and I’M NOT GOING TO LET THE NEXT LOST SHEEP DRAG ME INTO THE DITCH WITH HIM!!!
    Sometimes, living out the Christian code is like walking on a tightrope!

  4. The term “hate the sin but love the sinner” is man made. It came from St. Augustine. God doesn’t love the sinner. He loves the repentant sinner. The entire book of Revelation is about an all just God destroying the sinner and eventually casting them into the lake of fire. Sodom and Gomorrah is an example of God hating the sin and the sinner. We are not to take out a personal agenda of revenge and hatred against sin and those who commit the sin but we are not to tolerate it either. God will be doing the judging but we are free to hate the sinner and the person committing the sin. Psalm 5: 5 “hate all evildoers.”

    • It is a man made term, Tony, like all the great hymns of the church, and every great sermon or homily you will hear. That does not make it invalid.

      “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.”– Romans 5:8

      You can’t predict who might repent and who will not.

    • I would hate them the way God prescribed: “Your enemies are my enemies, O Lord. I shall hate them with a PERFECT hatred.”
      Hating sin is not “everything”; It’s the ONLY thing, to paraphrase Vince Lombardi.

  5. Richard Raaymond

    Maybe we shouldn’t judge (maybe pray for them) but those kids should come first in terms of every protection!

  6. I’d like to offer perhaps another term….Judgement connotes condemnation and even those Gays and other Iib trolls probably remember from their Sunday school days that only God is allowed to judge. However, to discern means to be able to make a choice between what is better or worse, right or wrong.
    Definition of DISCERN
    transitive verb
    a : to detect with the eyes
    b : to detect with senses other than vision
    : to recognize or identify as separate and distinct : discriminate
    What think you guys ? Can it work ?
    My discernment enables me to see that the gay lifestyle is a dissipative, unhealthy, unbalanced, narcissistic, and unnatural lifestyle.
    I am discerning enough to know that I do not want my children indoctrinated into such lifestyle.

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