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Arrogant Coward Senator Wirch

Groups exploring recalls of Holperin, Wirch
Two of the Dem state senators who have apparently left the state to prevent a vote on Gov. Walker’s budget repair bill could be the subject of recall efforts, according to statements issued Friday.
Daniel Hunt of Kenosha announced that a group to recall Sen. Robert Wirch of Pleasant Prairie would file papers with the Government Accountability Board (GAB) next week. “We need to inform Robert Wirch that his hiding in Illinois is unacceptable to the voters in his district, and that we are taking the first steps to remove him from office,” Hunt said in a statement.
An Eagle River-based group said it expected to file with the GAB by the close of business today. The group’s statement alleges Holperin “has failed to carry out his official duties in the state Senate,” and committee leader Kim Simac said activists would evaluate the recall effort over the weekend.
Meanwhile, Wisconsin state senator Jim Holperin, in his third year in the state’s upper chamber,  was videotaped in Illinois.  When asked why he wasn’t in Wisconsin doing his job, the senator stated, “I’m leaving right now to do my job. My job today is to delay a vote on a piece of legislation that the people of Wisconsin have said we have not had time to consider the consequences.”
We’ve all heard about the legislation. In summary, the measure would limit collective-bargaining rights for most workers—except police, firefighters and others involved in public safety—and require state employees, who currently pay little or nothing toward their pensions, to contribute just 5.8% of their pay to pensions, and pay at least 12.6% of health-care premiums, up from an average of 6%. We understand the consequences and so does Holperin. It’s just that the consequences for him mean fighting for the unions, not bringing fiscal responsibility to the state.
I say recall them. Do whatever it takes to bring them back to man up and do their jobs.  Time to face the consequences of governing and fiscal management.

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0 responses to “Recall Wisconsin Senators

  1. Chicken shit bastards! I say replace them and all the teachers. What a nightmare. Obama is behind this and the mid east. Where? are the United States Marshalls,and the joint Chiefs? Haven’t we had enough of this recklass jerk yet.

  2. Recall both for an example needs to be made not only for Wisconsin, but for the rest of the nation who’s watching closely for how this will end. If the elusive senators are not going to do their jobs, it’s time to get rid of them both. The public is getting sick of this union/government love fest that’s been going on with putative pResident Obama in the thick of things as always.

  3. In Dave’s America, every dem who left on that bus would be recalled.

  4. Wanted: Democrats who don’t throw a temper tantrum and go “I’m not listening” versus stuff they don’t like. (I’m in for a long wait, I know.)

  5. Gov’t. Employees that went AWOL should be fired. Just think if they were military personnel they would be thrown into the brig first. A soap on a rope would look good on them too.

  6. We call you idiots Koch Suckers. You are nothing but simple minded fools doing the bidding for the ultra rich like the Koch Brothers (Americans for Prosperity), Rick Scott (Medicare fraud) and Rupert Murdoch. You will all end up getting screwed by them along with rest of us.

    • Thank you for making my point — that the Left are foul-mouthed vile creatures dripping with contempt, hatred, and malice.

    • Simple minded fools are we?
      Yeah, we definitely are far lower on the intellectual totem pole than rocket scientists such as yourself, who continue to blindly support the most murderous, freedom and dignity-robbing, tyrannical, inhumane, and failed form of government the world has yet seen.
      Whatever, comrade.

  7. I am a Patriot and a Conservative because I served my country, but I still believe that this country belongs to the people and not a couple of scumbag billionaires. Do you? You want facts. Please dispute these facts. You are the ones blindly following the party line – Heil Walker. There is ample reliable evidence on the financing of the “tea party:” by the Kochs and Rick Scott
    On March 19, 1997, investigators from the FBI, the Internal Revenue Service and the Department of Health and Human Services served search warrants at Columbia/HCA facilities in El Paso and on dozens of doctors with suspected ties to the company.[19]
    Following the raids, the Columbia/HCA board of directors forced Scott to resign as Chairman and CEO.[20] He was paid $9.88 million in a settlement. He also left owning 10 million shares of stock worth over $350 million.
    In settlements reached in 2000 and 2002, Columbia/HCA plead guilty to 14 felonies and agreed to a $600+ million fine in the largest fraud settlement in US history. Columbia/HCA admitted systematically overcharging the government by claiming marketing costs as reimbursable, by striking illegal deals with home care agencies, and by filing false data about use of hospital space. They also admitted fraudulently billing Medicare and other health programs by inflating the seriousness of diagnoses and to giving doctors partnerships in company hospitals as a kickback for the doctors referring patients to HCA. They filed false cost reports, fraudulently billing Medicare for home health care workers, and paid kickbacks in the sale of home health agencies and to doctors to refer patients. In addition, they gave doctors “loans” never intending to be repaid, free rent, free office furniture, and free drugs from hospital pharmacies
    In February 2009, Scott founded Conservatives for Patients’ Rights (CPR), Scott had given about $5 million for a planned $20 million ad campaign by CPR..
    Astroturfing is a form of advocacy often in support of a political or corporate agenda designed to give the appearance of a “grassroots” movement. The goal of such campaigns is to disguise the efforts of a political and/or commercial entity as an independent public reaction to some political entity—a politician, political group, product, service or event. The term is a derivation of AstroTurf, a brand of synthetic carpeting designed to look like natural grass. (and hundreds of sites on Americans for Prosperity)
    Americans for Prosperity helped organize and promote the first Tea party protests, including ones in Arizona.
    Americans for Prosperity created an offshoot front group called Patients United Now, which organized what is estimated to be in excess of three hundred rallies against health-care reform. Patients United Now also helped organize “Kill the Bill” protests outside the Capitol, in March 2010, where Democratic supporters of health-care reform alleged that they were spat on and cursed at.[18]
    Hey Steve you are really fucking clever… and you call me names.
    Dave so anyone that doesn’t agree with whatever sad bullshit you peddle is a commie? That went out in the 1950’s. I served my country. Did you, or are you another chickenshit like Cheney, and Limbaugh.

    • P,
      As this blog’s founder-owner-administrator, I’m letting your comment through only in the interest of facts-information-discussion. But if you continue to write vulgar obscene words — which violates this blog’s stated policy (see our About page) — every one of your comment will be dumped in my Spam folder and never see the light of day. Did your mother teach you to be rude and vile, and you call yourself a veteran and a patriot? Shame on you.

  8. Eowyn
    My initial post had no obscenities. It merely stated that many of us Conservatives are now being used by oligarchs like the Koch brothers. They are hiding behind Conservatism as a method to take control. Those that do not see the huge amounts of money and political clout of the Kochs and their use of shadow astroturf organizations are suckers. (Koch suckers). That is not a misspelling or an obscenity.
    Definitions of sucker :
    * chump: a person who is gullible and easy to take advantage of
    I do not wish to live in an oligarchy – The Republic of Kochistan. If you want to see how oligarchs can easily rule, look at Russia, China, and most of the Third World. It scares me that so many of us are completely blind to that possibility here in America.
    I did react to the obscenities and labeling as a communist in response to my original post. I did not resort to that level until provoked. I will refrain from it here and in the future. I apologize to you and appreciate that you are willing to continue this discussion provided it is a civil dialog from all parties.
    If anyone is willing to have a sane discussion on the influence of these oligarchs and the potential for them to wrest control of the government and rule as “benevolent dictators”, then we should proceed.
    I presented some facts, I can produce volumes more. I have not seen anyone refute them.
    Can you conceive that two men each worth $17.5 billion dollars, that control a huge privately held corporation with operations in many parts of the US, that already have control over many Senators, governors, judges, etc from both parties, could easily steal de facto control and rule this country as oligarch puppet masters? Who could stand up against them?
    I am not a conspiracy theorist, but I also see the facts that show that enormous power is being concentrated into the hands of a few and it scares me. This beyond political parties and political philosophy.
    I love this country and I love our freedoms. I do not want these taken away by dictators from either the left or the right.
    Sempre Fi

  9. Our side? There is no “our” side to these guys. I wish that there was.
    These guys are in a whole different universe. We do not matter one little bit. It is all about power and money. It has nothing to do with philosophy or politics. They have very clever and sophisticated advisers that know how to manipulate and motivate various factions and groups. You can look back at our own history here in the US – do you think that Carnegie, Rockefeller, and Hearst were on “our side”.
    I lived in Saudi and I saw and heard how the 6000 royal princes who had that kind of absolute power, could and did get away with anything and everything. Please try to complain about it to someone, somehow, somewhere and let me know how it works for you.
    I thought this was supposed to be a democracy where people loved individual freedoms. Most of these billionaires – Gates, Buffet, for example, do not want vast power. That is obvious. Others like the Kochs are working hard to acquire as much power as possible. Power always corrupts. They mere fact that we are so easy and willing to give them all that power scares the hell out of me. Oligarchs rule most of the world today. They are very close to having that same control here in the US.
    So Steve, would you really be happy to live in a country run by a handful of “benevolent” oligarchs ?
    Remember the old sayings “Beware of Greeks bearing gifts” and “first they came for the …, then they came for …., by the time they came for me, there was no one left to help”.
    Walker is only a puppet for these interests. This will be the future for the rest of the country for a long. long time. If I thought that he was an independent, courageous, committed leader, I would be marching right behind him. But believe me, I have met Walker and I have followed his career here and he is not.
    Steve, I was a lot like you. It took me a long time to see that some of these guys were using my own beliefs to manipulate me for their own ends. That scares me more than you can ever imagine. If you are absolutely convinced that allowing these guys , with this enormous wealth, to also acquire and concentrate enormous power by controlling the government – legislative, executive, and judicial – and the media, and that will be a really, really wonderful country, then we have nothing more to talk about.
    Please do some research on your own and find out how many Senators, Congressman, Governors, Supreme Court justices, etc are already “owned” by these two men. How much money did they spend on the last election – $100 million or more? “I think I’ll buy me a few more Senators…”

    • P,
      Steve made many excellent points in his response to your comment. Please answer.
      You wrote: “Please do some research on your own and find out how many Senators, Congressman, Governors, Supreme Court justices, etc are already “owned” by these two men.” You’re the one who’s making these claims, but you want us to do the research?!
      Please (1) give us links to your source(s); (2) show us the evidence; and (3) define what “owned” means.
      The reality of politics is that (a) Running for political office takes money, gobs of it; (b) Rich people support their candidates with gobs of money; (c) Democrats & Republicans both do this. So I’m going back to Steve’s point again:
      Why are you picking on the conservative Koch brothers who use their money to support conservative causes and candidates, but you don’t have problems with left-wing deep pockets such as Soros and Peter Lewis who fund leftwing causes and candidates? Why your selective outrage?
      Lastly, just because the Koch brothers had put up money to help the TEA Party movement does not, ipso facto, mean that the TEA Parties are compromised. There is such a thing as parallel-compatible interests. The TEA Party movement began as genuine grass root groups, before the Koch brothers came in. To illustrate, Fellowship of the Minds is a labor of love & service; we have no ads/commercials and do not and have not made even a penny. I and the other writers are paid a big fat ZERO for our labors. Now, if the Koch brothers were to come along and offer to throw a few bucks our way, I’d welcome them. If that should happen — which, alas, won’t happen — does that make this blog “a tool” of the Koch moneybags? LOL

  10. I support Gov. Walker and I truely hope he can fix Wisconsin. I was born and raised in Milwaukee and I have went to the so called schools they have there. The system there needs fixing badly. Lots of teachers pay into the unions and really don’t want to yet they are made to. Lots of the teachers will be happy once this bill passes. They will no longer be FORCED to pay union dues.

  11. Shame on you for trying to destroy a man’s career for standing up for the common working class. If our forefathers didn’t take action for their beliefs and support the rights of the people of this country, there would be a different history for our country.

    • Shame on this elected official for not having the courage to show up and do the job he was elected to do (just as Gov Walker was elected to do). If you think the school union is all about protecting the “common working class”, then you are clueless to their true intentions.
      The state is BROKE. Pensions are killing local and statewide budgets. I seriously doubt our forefathers would approve of the massive entitlements these unions drain out of the taxpayers.

  12. Eowyn –
    It looks like you are censoring debate. As Churchill said about Conservatives-
    “above all else, no ideas”. I would challenge you to a debate, but you obviously lack the intelligence and integrity. Look at the “best and brightest”
    of the conservative movement – Michelle Bachman and Christine O’Donnell.
    I don’t really need to say any more. I rest my case.

    • You have delusions of grandeur. I’ve banned you because, despite my warning, you once again violated this blog’s stated policy on vulgar-obscene language.
      This comment of yours got through our Spam filter because you’re using a new IP address But never fear, the troll-hunter is here. Along with the old IP address, this new one too will be banned! … Done!

  13. You fools are being used by the Rich Oligarchy. The wealthiest Americans pay 15% in taxes because they use capital and money managers to make money, while the upper middle pays 35%. They are transfering wealth to themselves from you!… Socialization of the losses, privatization of the profits. Capitalism for the poor, socialism for the rich.

    • And how do you account for the percentage of people who do not pay federal income taxes themselves? The part of this “rich oligarchy”? In 2008, 132.5 million Americans paid no taxes. (IRS data found in “Individual Income Tax Returns,” Publication 1304, 2008, Table 1.4; Heritage Foundation calculations) Good thing those that DO pay taxes, make enough money to barely keep this government afloat.
      The problem in Wisconsin isn’t this “rich oligarchy”, it’s a combination of government overspending and entitlements. But hey, keep blaming the “rich” instead of addressing the true problem. Typical uninformed lib…

  14. Gee whiz, I kind’a thought we needed prison guards to handle people in prisons, teachers to teach our kids, people to plow and salt our roads, etc.etc. etc. but this is the first time I had ever thought the actual reason we needed those people was to pay off WI’s deficits – by themselves no less those who have no health care, etc. I had this, what I guess was this weird thought — that it was the duty of ALL the citizens of WI to pay off WI’s debts especially when those debts were caused by Wallstreet and not Mainstreet. But yeah, since I am not a teacher, a guard, don’t plow the roads, etc., yeah sure, lets make them pay 6 grand each instead of all of us pitching in, doing our duty by paying the extra 32 dollars needed each that would wipe out all WI debts and not even need to take yet another billion and a half of revenue away from all the small businesses of WI where those teachers, prison guards, snow plowers and everyone else will no longer have the money they did have to buy what they sell at all those WI small businesses: the hardware stores, dollar stores, Appliance stores, the Radio Shacks. etc. etc. …Nah, still sounds weird to me ..or is it really true that those teachers, prison guards, snowplowers, etc had been taking all their income, putting it all into tin cans, and then buried that money out in their back yards somewhere? Here I thought I had seen them shopping at the same local stores I shopped at ..but maybe those were just impostors, look alikes planted to make it seem like it was those prison guards, those teachers, etc who were shopping locally??
    Nah, something isn’t making any sense here. I have yet to see a rich prison guard, a rich teacher, a rich professor, a rich snowplower, and/or any rich state employee. that is, except for senators, governors, representatives ..them and those like the Koch bros who I do not see in those stores. Isn’t it the actual rich who invest their money into the stock market instead of into WI’s local economy? Just how many goods does WI make for the already wealthy anyway? Is it mostly only what they buy? Really? That much for only the already wealthy? I can’t buy that – really, literally

  15. Hello world,
    My name is Scott and I’m a deranged liberal. I’m so angry I’m spending my day obsessively leaving profane comments on every blog that covers Wisconsin. You’re welcome for my contribution to society.
    Love, Scott from IP address

    • Tell me, Scott, why is it that when you people on the Left don’t get your way, or are merely annoyed, you let loose with the F-bombs? Don’t you have a wider command of the English vocabulary? And yet the Left maliciously stereotype Conservatives as uneducated. Too funny.

    • Scott, you make it too easy for us. Typical lib, call us names instead of arguing why these dem senators are doing the right thing by running out of state. Go play at HuffPo where your kind are appreciated and understood.

  16. I have to admit I may not be a fan of some on this website as I am conservative in some ways and not so in others, if you can really put a moniker on my beliefs. Many would agree, and I would be one of them, that unions in their day contributed greatly to our society fighting for safer work conditions, 40 hour weeks and overtime, unemployment insurances (like it or not, unemployment insurance has an stabilizing economic effect in addition to keeping food on the table). Today, unions continue to fight for the benefit of their members (and yes unions have employees and yes they do pay their employees and by the way, unions have created these jobs if you are pro-job creation). Do I like unions? Not at all. I have never been a member of a union. I thought that unions had run their course until the actions of the legislators (both parties) over the last couple of months. Why? ONLY because without the unions I don’t think you would have seen as much outcry against the antics of the republican party (as we have witnessed there is little visibility about the outcry against the antics of the democratic party for which I am equally upset).
    I think like Patriot (and I too am a veteran thank you) our WI state government is no longer run for the people, but rather for the big business. This can be evidenced (I won’t even mention “the call”) by republicans suspending PSC 128 which provided consistent sighting for wind farms in WI. Of course you are aware that the Koch brothers own a private energy conglomerate. And I think you would agree that any energy created by wind would offset energy created by fossil fuels (Koch Industries has over 4000 miles of pipelines which transport oil products and natural gas to such places as electric plants. It also owns 3 percent of the Alaska pipeline). So to say that the Koch brothers would not be negatively effected by wind energy in Wisconsin would be illogical. Yes I do realize that Walker ran on “property rights” but rights of many farmers to have a steady income for providing a small amount of ground has essentially been violated by the suspension of this rule. Call me crazy but I think the whole property rights thing, or the Wisconsin Realty lobby efforts (also big contributors to republicans) just made it convenient for the republicans to honer the wishes of the Koch brothers. By the way, if the rule had gone into effect, it was estimated to bring in $1.8 billion of investment into WI in addition to creating many jobs (20 million man hours, what ever that equates to). So by suspending these rules, the republicans are costing WI jobs (and yes one could argue that the PSC not allowing the expansion of the coal-fired Cassville energy plant has costs jobs and investment too).
    I am fiscally conservative, I agree with reducing the size of our government. Selling state owned energy plants would be a great move in that direction. We have no business owning them. Giving them away without bidding however, well, doesn’t make sense. The argument that they would only get one bid anyway does not stand in the way of a bidding process, it just means the final decision is pretty easy (even someone that got kicked out of college could make this decision). Suspiciously this too could have benefited the Koch brothers if they were the sole bidder (can you call them bidders if there isn’t a bidding process?).
    Again, I am fiscally conservative. I agree with lowering taxes. By giving millions (107 I believe) in tax breaks to businesses just means that our taxes cannot be cut by that amount. The argument is that it promotes creating jobs can be argued in favor or taxpayers too. If we have more money in my pocket to spend at local businesses then they would hire more. I for one would rather create those jobs rather than me paying a business though tax incentives to create those jobs.
    I won’t get into the liberal side of my beliefs such as government staying out of our religious beliefs (abortion) and our bedrooms (lots of stuff).
    I am on the fence because there is no party out there that really connects with all my beliefs. I want to thank Patriot for his contribution to this discussion and I am at the same time appreciative that the moderator has looked beyond a few dirty words and left some of Patriots comments and saddened that he can no longer contribute.
    I hope all of you that sling mud (obscene or otherwise) would just stick to the facts and your opinions (ideally backed by fact). Please do not ask for sources as a quick Google will give you all the answers you are looking for.
    Thanks for your time and I look forward to a constructive debate.

  17. ok, what I said “(ideally backed by fact). Please do not ask for sources’ was pretty stupid so here are some links (and yes I realize just because it’s on the internet doesn’t make it true). Here I was wrong, it was $142, not $107.


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