Picture Perfect Gunman – To Disarm America

And so the next gun grab begins

For a long time the Left kept coming up with non-starters in their attempt to prove the danger posed by white ex-soldiers coming back into the country. Now they have their poster child.

And yet, nobody stops to ask how this would have turned out if the patrons of the country music club were armed and trained.

Any guesses how long before the truth leaks out, and we know what really happened? To me, this wreaks of false flag and street theater. There is even a report that some patrons were survivors of the Las Vegas shooting.

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Maryaha
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Maryaha

I read that too, Traildust. Shades of Sandy Hook survivors being at the Boston smoke bomb event. How many more of these must we put up with??

Lophatt
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Lophatt

Well, winter is coming on. Maybe the circus decided to catch some California sun. It’s a tough life dodging imaginary bullets.

Steven Broiles
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At this point, given all the terror events and false flag events that have occurred, the ONE QUESTION that remains to be answered—or at least investigated—is this: What was the role (if any) of the Mossad in this event? We are being played. These events, if orchestrated by the deep state or its agents or agencies, will only fool a certain (small) number of people. They don’t fool me: Whether the terror event in question was orchestrated or not, NO, America IS NOT relinquishing its firearms. So what is it? Is some apparatchik somewhere just spending his agency’s budget to… Read more »

Lophatt
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Lophatt

Yeah, I’m just starting to gather information on this. They have ALREADY had a motorcade for the slain policeman. Have you ever heard of such a thing? I haven’t. All the Demon-Rats are howling about being in charge and guns control. Right on cue. People not even cold in their graves. This smells like a fish market. The ‘Press” keep calling it LA. It is eighty miles North of LA. Just more crap. The reason I mention it is as an example of how they just read the script the CIA hands them.

Watertender
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Watertender

Right now “The Talk” on CBS is calling for gun control and disarming Americans… Does not take long does it….

Lophatt
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Lophatt

Why, it’s like it was “in the can”, ready to go. How AMAZING (cough!). For those of us who are still reality based, we know that even when bad things happen, it takes time to sort it out. How do they instantly know everything about the alleged shooter, the cop who got shot, etc.? Usually it takes at least days.

My default position is definitely set to “fraud” until proven otherwise.

DCG
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Well, they want us regular folk disarmed. Their personal bodyguards can be armed, of course.

Auntie Lulu
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Auntie Lulu

DCG . . . and how do we know whether or not “their personal bodyguards” aren’t going to jump the tracks any time soon? Normal everyday people should have the right to protect themselves.

Lophatt
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Lophatt

California already has draconian laws about magazine capacity. Doesn’t look like they work too well. This is a little too close to “Hollywood”, figuratively and literally.

All the reports I’ve read read alike. They claim people were hiding in the “attic”. Really?

Kevin Lankford
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Kevin Lankford

Got that Lee Harvey Oswald look, to me.

Mad Celt
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Mad Celt

Banning guns will redirect the problem but will not end it. These people are already head cases and emotional wreaks. Guns are convenient and easily accessible to them but take them away and the murderous rage will still be there. That’s when they’ll turn to explosives. I’m surprised they haven’t already since a good sized pipe bomb could rack up a higher body count and be less detectable. The task really is early detection of these people by therapists, family members and friends. A person harmful to themselves and others can be headed off since its not a matter of… Read more »

Lophatt
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Lophatt

They’ve already signed on to the UN treaty that has us all disarmed. They are desperate to follow through. None of it is about “crime”. They want us defenseless and dependent.

Lophatt
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Lophatt

There is no “problem”. We have a God-given right to defense. The Constitution protects it. It’s a scary world, especially when some use stuff like this for their own ends. We don’t have to, and should not, “balance” anything. This is total bunk. Even the story doesn’t make sense (as usual). They say they knew he was reloading because there was a lull so they broke out a window, blah, blah, blah. Funny, why didn’t they rush him? There’s only one of him and a whole big room full of them. If he had 10 or 20 rounds in a… Read more »

Dr. Eowyn
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Another Hellywood central casting shooting.
I’ll believe it only with good evidence.

Lophatt
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Lophatt

Same here.

DCG
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And what do you know…the Marine was “known” to authorities.

https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-shooter-profile-20181108-story.html

Lophatt
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Lophatt

I’ve mentioned that my daughter owns a gun shop in California. They have laws that require confiscation of guns for people just like him. They take them to the gun store until the court rules they can have them back. Must be a “glitch” in their wonderful laws.

DCG
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“Glitches” are by design to achieve the end goal of disarming citizens, IMO…

Lophatt
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Lophatt

Of course. I was being facetious.

DCG
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🙂

truckjunkie
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truckjunkie

These things are conspicuous,if for no other reason than the timing. How ironic that this particular event happens RIGHT AFTER THE MID-TERMS?
BTW-Be forewarned-Nevada now has a “governor” (no caps,as with alleged president obama,a sign of disrespect) ,a senator,wacky Jackie Rosen,and a Washoe County Sheriff who all fully supports Gun Control AND CONFISCATION. I’m expecting,until AMERICANS can change the power structure,Nevada will be “California Jr.” (I don’t like it,and reserve the RIGHT to refuse,as an AMERICAN,to comply to anything UNCONSTITUTIONAL they might enact.

Dr. Eowyn
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I saw a news article about Californians driving up real estate prices in Nevada and Idaho by moving there. Californians are also changing Texas, which is really, really bad because if Texas turns “blue,” then the Demonrats will have a lock on elections with 3 blue-states with big populations and electoral votes: New York, California & Texas. It baffles me why people flee California but bring the same left-wing California ideology & politics to their new home-states.

Lophatt
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Lophatt

That’s a poser. I wouldn’t expect that. It’s their politics that drove them out. Of course, expecting logic from a Marxist is a losing proposition.

truckjunkie
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truckjunkie

I wondered that when I lived in Boise. The theory held by the old-timers there is that the Californians sell their homes for big money,move to Boise for the Small town atmosphere,good place to raise their kids,but they realize how much they miss all the stuff they had,so they encourage their friends and family to bring those businesses when THEY come to Boise. BOOM! Instant California.

DCG
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In north eastern WA where my dad lives, a lot of people from California are moving there. Same thing: They sell their homes in CA for massive $ and can purchase palatial homes/lots in WA for a lot less. At this point, the area still remains red yet give it a dozen years and it’ll probably turn blue like the Seattle area…

Lophatt
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Lophatt

Well, I’m not convinced that voting is all its cracked up to be. There is lots of gerrymandering and other illicit practices that go on. While its true that people often vote against their own interests, that many people simply CAN’T be that stupid.

If they’re smart enough to leave California, it seems inconceivable that they’d want more of what they just left, but….., who knows?

DCG
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“If they’re smart enough to leave California, it seems inconceivable that they’d want more of what they just left…”

Liberal logic isn’t designed to make sense 🙂

Lana
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I am wondering how much longer we can hold out in Ca. now that Newsom will be the gov. If you want to retire you will be forced to leave unless you are rich. No one that is on a fixed income is going to be able to pay the increased property taxes, gas taxes and all the other taxes they are planning on as well. But my son was saying there was all sorts of talk on Facebook that fleeing will do no good as Nevada, Texas, and Arizona will all be blue soon too. I think there are… Read more »

Lophatt
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Lophatt

I never thought I’d live to see the day. It has to be Las Vegas. Growing up EVERYONE was a shooter. Most of my guns came from Reno pawn shops.

Of course I never understood Dirty Harry Reid either. It was a nicer place to live when The Mob were in charge.

Dan
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Regardless of what happened the scenario bears the marks of public theater, where the msm’s “investigative reporters” never unearth anything that might discredit an obviously pre-scripted (because identical) official narrative. The always present, many little details glaringly inconsistent with the supposed main facts of these cases, which taken together had previously provided a powerful and conclusive refutation of such narrative, are now universally considered evidence of insanity, anti-Semitism, etc against those pointing out that the official narrative is demonstrably false. This is very close to truth becoming what the state says it is, while questioning it becomes a crime—a line… Read more »

Lophatt
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Lophatt

All great points. The legal drinking age in California is 21. I don’t know how or why they mention eighteen year-olds. The “basic script” is the same no matter where you get the “news” from.

How would they know these things? How would you promulgate it so quickly? As an example, there is a “spontaneous” protest against Session’s firing today. My, that’s quick.

Some of us know that life doesn’t work that way.

TPR
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Re: Sessions’ “Cessation”: __Ann Corcoran (Refugee Resettlement Watch blog) & Ann Coulter say that Sessions alone was the Legal-Brain-Safeguard in the Trump Admin against unfettered immigration (legal & illegal), & with him gone > Bad News. Ann’s motto: “Demographics is Destiny.” So true! The timing of his firing/resignation > with the “caravan” still(?) on its way here, could make one suspicious if what Corcoran/Coulter say is true. __Sundance of CTH had a different opinion re Sessions’ departure: He says Potus knows, with Dems overtaking the House, that they will be after him re every minutia they can think of, &… Read more »

Lophatt
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Lophatt

I have never liked Sessions, period, for a long time and a number of reasons. As to Trump’s astuteness and impressionability, the jury is out for me. It is true that is is fixing to get bombarded. He’d better shut that off, quick, as opposed to two more years later. What he told them about Senate retribution is true. He should now not say anything he plans. He should DO what he wants and tell them what he DID. I still think he needs to rescind that business about the “press” being able to propagandize us and lie to us.… Read more »

Dr. Eowyn
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I’ve long stopped paying attention to Ann Couler. Trump’s invocation of new rules barring illegal border-crossers from seeking asylum proves the two Ann’s to be wrong.
https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/president-trump-bars-those-entering-u-s-illegally-from-seeking-asylum

TPR
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Thanks for the link. Coulter does have a reputation of being a chronic flip-flopper. Wasn’t sure re the other lady. Potus should have issued that asylum proclamation back on 1/11/17. Waiting has only made matters worse, but “better late than never.” Here’s a new statement from Potus from yesterday. From what I can gather, he is “suspending” aliens from entering the USA from anywhere except via the official ports of entry (duh, as it should be & probably already says so in some law somewhere), & none of what he says in this newer proclamation applies retroactively (it should): 11/9/18:… Read more »

Skid Marx
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No matter who controls the house band in Mordor on the Potomac, open borders, disarming of deplorable kulaks and the smart grid control matrix will happen whether we like it or not. Use the time that Trump is buying us wisely.

TPR
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TPR

After people questioning the last Synagogue shooter wanting to kill off so many seniors & elderly, I guess they needed to counteract that with a shooting of a younger “college night” crowd at the bar. __Potus tweeted 13 dead. TampaBay[dot]com delineated 11 dead in bar, plus cop/1st responder, plus shooter. So there’s the Masonic #11 & #13 again. __Visual Imagery! Some female who was at the bar said MEN GOT DOWN ON THEIR KNEES to shield people behind them from the shooter. Courageous Alpha Males? Shocker from a “college crowd.” –(Or were they protesting the National Anthem since shooter was… Read more »

TPR
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TPR

PS: 11 days from Synagogue shooting to Bar shooting: 10/27-28 = 1 @ 24 hrs. 10/28-29 = 1 @ 24 hrs. 10/29-30 = 1 @ 24 hrs. 10/30-31 = 1 @ 24 hrs. 10/31-11/1 = 1 @ 24 hrs. 11/1-2 = 1 @ 24 hrs. 11/2-3 = 1 @ 24 hrs. 11/3-4 = 1 @ 24 hrs. 11/4-5 = 1 @ 24 hrs. 11/5-6 = 1 @ 24 hrs. 11/6-7 = 1 @ 24 hrs. TOTAL: 11 Days. Bar Shooting per Google results said “23:20 local time” or 11:20pm. Synagogue shooting began circa 9;54am(?). ===== FYI: A Henry Makow tweet… Read more »

Lophatt
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Lophatt

I’d love to see what a statistician calculated the odds of Vegas “survivors” being present for this one at.

TPR
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TPR

Correction: Sheldon Adelson at WhiteHouse for Midterms tweet was not at Makow’s. But all the major MSMs have the story: JPost, Haaretz, Bloomberg, etc. Adelson & wife, plus a few other unfamiliar rich Jews were also present for the Midterms Results viewing w/Potus. They ate fries, hamburgers, hotdogs on fancy dishes, lol, per JPost. (Another JPost headline said Potus will be holding TWO Hannukah celebrations this year!(??) — Saw another tweet w/stats: 79% of Jews voted Democrat; only 17% voted Republican.) ===== Back to BORDERLINE: This tweet from early AM today; original source CBS: […] Breaking911 @Breaking911 “I was at… Read more »

Lophatt
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Lophatt

I think “Dan” (above) is on to something. I mean think about it. Crowded room, smoke grenades. Throw in a few crisis actors and lots of screaming. About all they’d have to worry about was somebody armed.

In California that’s VERY hard to do for most, getting a license. Everyone would repeat just what they heard, just like the people at the Pentagon on 9-11. “Big plane come down, cut of lampposts”, etc., etc..

TPR
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TPR

So true re everyone would just repeat whatever everyone else was saying. (Reminds me of the Holocaust “survivors” at Ernst Zundel trial who admitted similarly, that they just repeated the story they were told.) Back to Borderline, that Zach Welz guy has a photo of a CERT Drill flyer for Sat. 11/3/18, at Ventura County / Thousand Oaks Fire Dept, & says many Vegas-shooting crisis actors participated: […] Zach Wellz PhD @WellzZach Replying to @TeamUpRGC @RebeccaRage333 Not real. They just had a CERT drill a few days before. Large number were involved in the Vegas Hoax. pic.twitter.com/deldX2sRYl 12:51 PM –… Read more »

TPR
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TPR

Since this current shooter was a veteran, that reminded me of this story from a few days ago:

“FDA Approves Controversial New Opioid 10 Times More Powerful Than Fentanyl”:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fda-approves-controversial-new-opioid-10-times-more-powerful-than-fentanyl/

The story says the FDA fast-tracked approval mainly for the MILITARY for battlefield wounds. (How many soldiers become addicted as it is to the currently-available less potent opioid painkillers? If they come back home hooked, no wonder.)

Lophatt
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Lophatt

No doubt, but in his case, they didn’t mention any Purple Hearts. They said he was a machine gunner. To me that’s pretty strange. Of course I was in the Army, but we didn’t have “specialized” machine gunners. Any qualified infantryman would do. On the weapons purchase application it asks if you’re nuts. Of course no one is going to answer “yes”. But, they say they had been to his house and even sent the “psych squad” over to evaluate him. I find it hard to believe they wouldn’t have confiscated his guns in California. Of course, I find all… Read more »

TPR
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TPR

It’s probably ALL a lie & nothing happened at the bar but confusion, if anything.

No men tackled the guy per the one story I saw. Instead (per the “story”), the men knelt down in order to shield everyone behind them from Madman Vet Shooter.

(Why not turn the tables over at least & kneel behind those!)

Since the perp is “dead,” oh well! We’ll never know.

Lophatt
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Lophatt

Just one more and I’ll stop. Here’s the guy who says he was in the Vegas “shooting”. He says 50-60 others were there in the bar with him that were in Las Vegas. I think the odds are better that Elizabeth Warren is Tonto’s illegitimate daughter.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/some-thousand-oaks-shooting-survivors-also-witnessed-las-vegas-massacre_us_5be43e88e4b0769d24ca27c8

TPR
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TPR

LOL re Tonto. Yes, ki mo sa bee (sp?)

Maybe not too strange at all IF the same “Traveling Crisis Actors Troupe” that “performed” at the Las Vegas “Route 91 Concert Theater” (“event”) also had a scheduled “performance” planned for the “Borderline Bar Theater” (“event”).

In other words, maybe same company, same employees who are (maybe) hired to travel from town to town to participate in Drills-followed-by-Shootings.

TPR
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TPR

PS: to Lophatt:

Here’s the Thousand Oaks Hoax Fire Dept. CERT (11/3/18) Drill page where they plead in all caps, “DISASTER DRILL VICTIMS ARE NEEDED.”

https://www.toaks.org/departments/fire/emergency/cert

What happens if/when they can’t get enough locals to volunteer? Maybe they “IMPORT”(?)

Flanders
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Flanders

“CA Bar Mass Shooting: State-Sponsored False Flag Terrorism to Strip Gun Rights and to Distract from…” “Deep State had to change the topic of conversation across the Internet from the “pervasive election thefts by Democrats” The election theft perps had to change the conversation—FAST! There’s no better way to change the public discourse than to stage a horrific mass shooting somewhere in the USA. (((The Powers That Be))) have run that game on the American people for many decades with no signs of slowing down. In the current case at California’s Borderline Bar & Grill , it’s quite clear why… Read more »

TPR
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TPR

Re your/Flanders last sentence: Definitely an “odd thing” for MSM to broadcast shooting “participants” at one location admitting their same group was also present at a prior shooting “event.” Maybe MSM realizes too many citizen-investigators have noticed the same “crisis actors” are appearing in multiple disaster “events,” & MSM thinks it will lessen suspicion if they just come right out & declare it as a “News Fact.” In other words, “If we (MSM) say it is Not Unusual, then it is No Longer Suspicious Nor Unusual, but is merely Normal Life Coincidence. Believe us, because we are the Masters of… Read more »

TPR
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TPR

A few more links of interest re the “THOUSAND HOAX” Borderline [Country Western] Bar “shooting” of 11/7/18-PM:

__City of Thousand Oaks page re their Fire Dept.’s CERT DRILL of Sat. 11/3/18:
https://www.toaks.org/departments/fire/emergency/cert

__MSM Video of a “mother” who lost a son at the prior Vegas Route 91 Country Western outdoor concert “shooting” & then who lost the (same) son at the Borderline Country Western Bar “shooting”:
https://twitter.com/WellzZach/status/1060945322321555456?p=v

TPR
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TPR

Here’s one more link (in addition to the two in prior comment #240301 which hasn’t shown up yet):

Interesting Twitter Conversation re Borderline Bar “shooting”:
https://twitter.com/ssdavis75/status/1060935397184811009?p=v