New Mexico could be first state to force students to apply for college

melissa harris perry
While I’m all for higher education, I believe it is 1) the job of the parents to decide this matter with their children and 2) dangerous to have the government tell you what your children must do. Stay out of our lives!
From NY Post: New Mexico’s high school juniors would have to apply to at least one college or commit to other post-high school plans as part of a proposed graduation requirement that would be the first statewide push of its kind in the US.
The proposal is scheduled for its first legislative hearing on Thursday. If it eventually becomes law, New Mexico would be the first state to require post-high school plans of students, said Jennifer Zinth, who is the director of high school and STEM research at the Education Commission of the States, a Denver-based group that tracks education policy.
The bill sponsored by Rep. Nate Gentry, a Republican, and Sen. Daniel Ivey-Soto, a Democrat, would make it mandatory for public school juniors to apply to at least one two- or four-year college. Exceptions would be made for students who can prove they have committed to military service, a vocational program, or work upon graduation in an apprenticeship or internship. Parents and school guidance counselors would have to approve of the students’ plans.
The measure was drafted with the aim of reversing declines in college enrollment across the state, which fell nearly 14 percent from 155,065 enrolled students in 2010 to 133,830 in 2016.
Ivey-Soto, an attorney and former educator, said it also could encourage prospective first-generation college students to seriously consider getting into a higher education institution. “There’s a reason we call graduation commencement because it’s the beginning of their future,” Ivey-Soto said. “Let’s take that seriously.”
The New Mexico bill is modeled after a similar requirement that Gentry said was put in place for high school students in San Marcos, Texas, more than a decade ago. And last year in Chicago, Mayor Rahm Emanuel made post-high school plans a graduation requirement — saying students had to either have plans to enter the military, take part in a “gap year” program, get a job offer or apprenticeship, or have an acceptance letter from a college.
The New Mexico proposal has received a mixed response from educators, with some questioning whether the bill that asks for no extra funding will further strain schools without enough counselors to give students the attention they need to develop post-graduation plans.
“We just need to make sure that the schools are funded well enough that there is a counselor or a person who can help each student,” said Betty Patterson, president of the National Education Association-New Mexico union representing more than 8,500 school employees.
The bill seeks to boost the state’s college enrollment rate in the hopes the state would have a better-educated workforce. That could attract more companies to New Mexico, where the unemployment rate is 6.5 percent, the second-highest in the US and more than two percentage points higher than the national rate.
While students would not be required to attend college, Gentry thinks requiring them to fill out applications will make them more likely to do so. Applying to the flagship University of New Mexico costs $25. Many of the state’s community colleges don’t charge application fees and applying online can take as little as 20 minutes.
At the Academy for Technology and the Classics charter school in Santa Fe, principal Susan Lumley said she was wary of the bill if it didn’t come with extensive support for helping students apply to college.
The school in Santa Fe graduated 43 students last year and all but one enrolled in college. The only one who did not enroll in college went to a vocational school for tattoo artists.
“You’ve got to provide the support to make that happen,” Lumley said. “First-generation kids, for a lot of them, the reason they don’t go to college is they have no idea how to even start that process.”
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phoenix
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well… pretty obvious what the goal was when BO insisted that all kids should attend college and the government should pay for it. Our indoctrination system (school system) is expert at brain-washing and keeping our children ignorant of their history and their unique American heritage. How about a nation of ‘snowflakes’ in twenty years, no exceptions? Just one step away from communism.

Lophatt
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Lophatt

Kids DO belong to their families. When they’re no longer kids they have their own free will. This is so preposterous I hardly have words. Go to college against your will? WTF?
This is right out of the Moonbeam playbook. How about some decent paying jobs? Not everyone needs or has the aptitude for college. We need shoe shiners just like we need surgeons.

Auntie Lulu
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Auntie Lulu

lophatt . . . . Amen to that! This makes me wonder, with all these “bogus applications,” from students who are forced to at least send in applications. How in the dickens will the Community Colleges have any idea of enrollment of students for the next year? I did not know that governmental bodies held this much sway in the arena of furthering education. Many, many students are not fit for going to college. So should they be forced into borrowing monies for student loans? There are actually many a student who would benefit, as would society, if they chose… Read more »

Glenn47
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Glenn47

How very communistic of NM. Not every person is equipped to handle college. We have so many other careers that do not need college to fill the bill or workers. I hope the people push back or will will only escalate.

chemtrailssuck
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Ah yes, I can see the reason, due to low enrollment (college is NOT like it used to be) the state universities see their money train (and state funding)pulling out of the station, so by God they’re going to put the brakes on. What a JOKE. So is the whole “get an education and get a good job” HA HA HA. My DH just went into a local auto parts store. The kid behind the counter (who was working minimum wage) eventually told my DH that he graduated from Penn State with a (snort) BUSINESS DEGREE. WAHAHAHAHAHA! In my many… Read more »

Lophatt
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Lophatt

Good point. What’s the difference between a stickup and this? They put your young moron in school and make you pay for keeping the little darling? Junior has an IQ of a Planeria and they give him a diploma anyway?
I think you’ve got this about right.

chemtrailssuck
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I wish it wasn’t like that though. Actually I tried to get an entry level in my field at the university I worked for (as a secretary 1 and then sec’y 2), I went to many many interviews for even a research 1 position. The university I was working at had this little “rule” that even if they knew who they wanted to hire, they still had to interview at least 3 other people. So I wasted lots of lunch hours going on interviews where I was just “filler”. The reason I even got in as a secretary 1 was… Read more »

Auntie Lulu
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Auntie Lulu

chemtrailssuck . . . . Bravo! The instances you cite I am sure could be found many times over. So many young people are seduced by the idea of “getting an education,” and what they get stuck with is a “debt package” that is like a 500 lb gorilla around their necks. Somebody needs to think about this. It is not appropriate that state legislatures venture into the idea that they know so much that they should be in the position of telling other people what to do . . . that is unless they want to finance these college… Read more »

whisperingsage1
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Right. I probably would have been fine being support staff for nursing homes. ANd in MY day (,makes me sound old, but in the 1980’s) we were trained as CNA’s on the job. NOW they are legislated to go to college first and then pay $150 for their test somewhere pretty far away from their town. In MY day, we did all our classroom work at the hospital and the hospital paid for our classes and testing, and we still were there working and learning On The Job. There were still some hospitals allowing CNA’s to learn On The Job… Read more »

Auntie Lulu
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Auntie Lulu

whisperingsage1 . . . . Thank you for your voice of reason. What a travesty that a state legislature had to but into a program that was working wonderfully! Students were ready to hit the floor running under this program. . . . now because of the greed of the State legislature who wanted to get their hands on the $150.00 certificate fee . . . now those who might otherwise go into this profession are mandated to run through hoops in order to accomplish it.

chemtrailssuck
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That is friggin’ nuts! It’s almost like they want to scare away grads…. Also it sounds like someone was paying some lobbyists to change the rules so certain people can line their pockets. Not sure if this is still true, but I know BSN programs made the students do a lot of clinical rotations, though that is with BSN not RN or LPN. Nursing is a heck of a hard job without not being trained! I see ads all the time saying “get your RN in one year”! That is truly scary, I mean how can one be trained for… Read more »

phoenix
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“Totalitarian states use propaganda to orchestrate historical amnesia, a state-induced stupidity. The object is to make sure the populace does not remember what it means to be free. And once a population does not remember what it means to be free, it does not react when freedom is stripped from it.”
― Chris Hedges, Wages of Rebellion

Auntie Lulu
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Auntie Lulu

phoenix . . . . Thank you for providing such an important quote! Truly due to “historical amnesia, {we are under} a state-induced stupidity.”

Alma
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Alma

I don’t believe “forcing” anything but, leave it to the DEMOCRAPS whom will use this new crutch as nazism. Technology is changing rapidly and the older generation -the baby boomers need retraining and adapt to the changes and not be dependent of the decaying social security, the young generation needs parent support and step up, regardless of their chosen career paths so as NOT BECOME A BURDEN. Robots will replace humans and humans need to make the robots work, if the opportunity is offered, parents should take the lead and prepare their children for the changing world.

chemtrailssuck
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Problem is, the world is changing so fast everything becomes outdated or obsolete within weeks sometimes.
I think it’s good to teach kids critical thinking, creative problem solving and let them decide on a vocation or do their own business and work for themselves if they have the drive.

Goldbug
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Goldbug

I wouldn’t send any young person to one of these institutions of higher brainwashing and propaganda. The majority of the professors are lefty commies, unfit to be anywhere near young people. College is not justified for everyone; the majority of HS graduates would be better off going to a vocational school learning how to be useful. Keep your kids away from college, let them work a couple years, and allow them to realize the true value of a higher education.

Auntie Lulu
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Auntie Lulu

Goldbug . . . . Bravo! Your points are well taken.

chemtrailssuck
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Amen to that one. Like my DH said, you’re in school to learn to obey, not to learn anything of value.

Cara
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Cara

A good idea, in theory. However, sending kids off to college, simply bc, “they should,” could financially be disastrous. Iregardless of whether or not the uni is paid for w loans, or a 529 fund, if they go too soon, fail, drop out, it sucks. I went to uni in my 30’s, and loved it. I’m up to my eyebrows in fed loan debt, though am still considering strongly, continuing on for more credentials. My kids, on the other hand, HAD the funds, and have wasted them, completely. Imo, they should’ve lived a little first, to decide what it is… Read more »

Disgusted
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Disgusted

Higher education is wildly profitable (for the schools, students not so much)
Didn’t look, but I’ll bet both bill sponsors receive huge endorsements (and teachers unions votes) along with “campaign contributions” for their selfless efforts. Pro-indoctrination political groups will also “help” these politicians get reelected, at least until the next favor is needed.
Term limits. It’s not just for national offices anymore.

Jurist
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Jurist

My word, what BS! NM already has free community college for its high school grads. Even then, the college had a 9%…yes, NINE percent graduation rate in its 2-year Associate’s degree programs.
There nothing “new” about “New Mexico”.
Oops, almost forgot, NM is the only state NOT in the deep south whose IQ test average scores are as low as they are in LA, MS, and AL. It’s also a majority Hispanic state. Nothing about it is not cursed. Give it back to Mexico and save the rest of us the burden, I say.

Waco Bob
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Waco Bob

Why does the state have the power to require anything? What next that you must take hair braiding courses or donut making?

Disgusted
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Disgusted

Oddly, hair braiding places are everywhere. Far more than one would expect the marketplace to support. Some say they are used for drug distribution…

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[…] New Mexico is considering legislation to force every high school student to apply to at least one college as a requirement for graduation (https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2018/02/02/new-mexico-could-be-first-state-to-force-students-to-app…). […]

brackenkaren
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This is to hide the fact that our children are getting out of 12th grade dumber than a bag of rocks.

chemtrailssuck
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We should throw more tax money at the problem. That always works! 😀

Tim Shey
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They want all children to go to college and be brainwashed by globalist liberals.

Alma
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Alma

Tim Shey, indoctrination from an early age so that they can be herded like docile animals

cogitoergosumantra
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I’m ok with having them think about what to do after high school. Even apply to a college or two, as that gets them thinking that it’s a possibility maybe they hadn’t previously considered. But be realistic with them — that’s it’s incredibly expensive (including putting their earning years on hold), they may not learn a lot (and if they do, it will take a TON of personal effort), it will short-circuit their current social lives (for me, that lasted, well, it’s on-going), and that even if they succeed and get that degree, it’s no guarantee of a job, or… Read more »

daveyone1
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pigpen51
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pigpen51

I have an older brother who was an all American in high school football. He had several schools after him, but he wanted to stay close to home, and his girlfriend, and so ended up going to a private college in michigan. The tuition and costs was about the cost of a new car every year for 4 years. He got some grants, and such, but not much, and he also worked in the summer at my parents restaurant. The rest, my parents paid for. It was an incredible hardship. He graduated from Olivet college the same year I graduated… Read more »

whisperingsage1
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pigpen51 We will pray for you and your situations, but don’t be so quick to reject conventional Christians that don’t go to bars. How very sad about your first wife. Very sad indeed. And very sad about your church who should have been family but weren’t. First, I would recommend the Power of Praise by Merlin Carothers, and very sweet man, (now in heaven). Here is the first couple pages of his book the Power of praise and we have found this method to be about themost powerful and successful of any way of praying; https://foundationofpraise.org/powerinpraise.html When there really is… Read more »

Glenn47
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Glenn47

Tim, you reached out because you needed support. If I have learned anything over the years, the people on this blog are so giving and will grant you your wish. I will pray for your wife and for you.
The power of prayer is strong and may you see the results.

Dr. Eowyn
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Tim,
Since you first informed us in a comment months ago of your wife’s cancer, I have been praying for you and Laura every morning. Please know that the thoughts and prayers of your FOTM family are with you both this morning.

Auntie Lulu
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Auntie Lulu

Amen and amen to that!

Cara
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Cara

Hi tim, Maybe we can agree that those who truly know, feel and believe that they are God’s children, made in God’s likeness, won’t poison themselves anymore (be it with whatever they understand poison to be). That said, Rev 22:2, “and the leaves of the tree healed all the nations.” From my understanding, herb is legal for your wife in michigan. I know when my mom was dying of cancer, which come this Feb 9, it’ll be 20 years ago exactly, she said, “they are not in the business of healing you. They’re a “business,” and as such, look at… Read more »

pigpen51
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pigpen51

Dearest Cara, Michigan is indeed a place where Medical Marijuana is legal, and it is something that my wife, a very strait laced person, has used to help her with some of the side effects of her chemo. I was up visiting with her today, and they took out the 2nd port that they put in, which they thought could possibly be the reason for the staph infection. I hope that I didn’t give you the impression that she is on her death bed. She is just a very sick lady. And they expect her to stay in the hospital… Read more »

Cara
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Cara

Godbless you both!
Just keep trying to make your wife and yourself happy. Joy, laughing when you can, etc. can help you overcome anything while here (on earth). Nothing scary about the next part, aka the otherside, the eternal abyss, anyway, right? Eternal life!
And no worries about sharing. You needed to and it’s good for you.
Have a good night!

chemtrailssuck
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Dear Pigpen, I will definitely pray for you and your wife, may God protect her from those chemo drugs and infections and heal her cancer! Hey, I think that’s special you can reach out like that, a lot of guys keep their emotions inside until they freak out or spontaneously combust! I’m sorry to hear that some of the church members are rejecting you, they are NOT following what Jesus taught. Do you think your ex maybe lied to them about what happened? That is a possibility. I go to a Church of Christ, some people are really friendly, others… Read more »

pigpen51
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pigpen51

I don’t know why people act the way that they do. While I have omitted parts of my life story, one thing that happened is that my ex wife had an emotional affair, with the husband of a friend of hers that passed away. She felt bad for him, and it led to them getting closer than was proper. I have no reason to think that there was any infidelity involved, but the fact is that they are married to each other, for almost as long as my present wife and I. But I think that it is normal, and… Read more »

phoenix
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I am praying for you both…. that you may find His peace, strength and courage. Remember, He is faithful.

Gary Jones
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Gary Jones

Why is college enrollment dropping nationwide? The student loan scam trap.
You borrow to pay for education costs that are increasing far beyond
overall inflation. Very often the wonderful jobs promised do not materialize
and graduates/ex-students are left with monstrous debt which
can’t be bankrupted or paid off by entry level job salaries. Automation
that destroys jobs makes more people each year redundant. For
extensive explanation of the preceding, please read blogs by
Professor Doom detailing the effects of the student loan scam.
Only people getting rich on it are college administrators receiving
bloated salaries for feathering their own nests.

CalGirl
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My PhD, professionally trained husband in an adjunct medical field, is retiring from a 20-yr evening job( second to his “regular” job), of adjunct professor…..b/c……there is so much incompetence ahead of him…..his “evaluators” being fresh out of an MS degree and newly-hired at this community college (that once had a reputation equal to any 4-year or university in CA…but….NO MORE)….and no one in his dept. having worked “in the real world” with the experience in his field that he has, and is STILL TODAY full-tiime-employed in……but rather, coming right out of a BS degree…maybe an MS or EdD….right from “book-learning”… Read more »

Auntie Lulu
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Auntie Lulu

CalGirl . . . . Somehow, I never fail to be edified by reading your posts, and this one is no exception. I too grieve over the fact that those who teach in higher education, who are more recent additions . . . really are just a bunch of goofballs. I am sorry that your husband had to save himself, but sometimes that is the only option . . . just get the heck outta there! What really gets me is that those who are the heads of institutions think this is okay, but then I suppose they are only… Read more »

CalGirl
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Sigh, just so, Auntie. All is not for naught, though—-once he retires from this adjunct teaching position that he’s loved for so many years…..after 9 months, he can still work at other institutions if he wishes. The former president of this college has moved on (TOO—-he was pretty much forced out after he took the campus “Republican Club” with him to the Trump inaugural….) to a private religiously-based university and asked my husband to come work there in the graduate dept. as an adjunct when the time is right. He might still get to do what he loves best somewhere… Read more »

Dave
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Dave

Communist indoctrination in the form of “higher education” is continuing uninterrupted, and idiot parents keep writing the tuition checks without reservation.
Last time I checked, children still belonged to their parents, not the government.
When are this nation’s parents going to wake up?