Kicking Rick Warren while he's down

Rick & Matthew WarrenRick (l) and Matthew (r) Warren

The shocking news came last night — that Matthew Warren, the 27-year-old son of mega-church pastor Rick Warren, had committed suicide, after a long history of depression.
Pastor of the 20,000-congregants strong Saddleback Valley Community Church in Southern California, Warren is author of the best-seller, The Purpose Driven Life, and the best-known name in American evangelism after Rev. Billy Graham.
FOTM has had our ideological differences with Warren in the past (see my post of Feb. 11, 2011, which is a re-publish of Marsha West’s article for NewsWithViews on Warren having gone New Age).
However, one thing we don’t do is kick a man when he’s down. That is heartless and just plain cruel. But that’s exactly what the vile hyenas on the Left are doing.
Cathy Lynn Grossman reports for USA Today, April 7, 2013, that while uncounted strangers have joined Warren’s 20,000 congregants, nearly 1 million Twitter followers, and hundreds of thousands of Facebook followers in flooding social media with consolation and prayer, “a shocking number are taking this moment of media attention to lash out at Warren…. The attacks are aimed at him personally and at his Christian message.”
The kicks dealt Warren when he’s down include:

  • Atheists telling Rick and Kay Warren, his wife and Matthew’s bereaved mother, that there’s no heaven where they’ll meet their son again. A Cincinnati reader on USA Today‘s news story on Matthew’s death commented that “Either there is no God, or God doesn’t listen to Rick Warren, despite all the money Rick has made off of selling false hope to desperate people” and that Warren should “abandon primitive superstitions and accept the universe for what it is — a place that is utterly indifferent to us.”
  • The homosexual proponents who heap on the Warrens’ pain because, in their view, he did not show sufficient compassion for the pain suffered by gay youths rejected by parents and peers. These oh-so-tolerant leftists remain outraged that Warren had supported Prop 8, which overturned legal same-sex marriage in California in 2008 and is now before the U.S. Supreme Court.
  • Others have appointed themselves dime-store theologians, debating whether someone (Matthew Warren) once saved can lose his salvation if suicide is against God’s law. These hyenas arrogantly have decided they know God’s mind and God’s judgment, declaring that Matthew is in hell. (Of course, the really curious thing is these same hyenas don’t actually believe in the existence of God or hell.)

Please say a prayer for the repose of the soul of Matthew Warren, and that his grieving parents find solace and peace in Christ.
~Eowyn

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DCG
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Liberalism is a mental disorder. Prayers for the family.

Joan
Editor

DCG, I usually agree with you. But, you are giving liberalism too much of an out, stating that it is a mental disorder. Liberalism is a choice to call evil, good, and good, evil. Liberals know what they are doing in their choices, wherein to give it the out of being a mental disorder takes away their complicity in evil. This has been exhibited in Dr. Eowyn’s post with liberalism’s heartless, cruel and mean treatment of the entire Warren family.

lindarm
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The atheists, gay proponents, and all others who have made disparaging remarks during this sad time for a family are cynical sick people. Even if I don’t like someone, I do respect their grief, and I would never be so callous to enemy, much less to a man and his family who have never done me harm. How sad a commentary on our society as a whole, that people have sunk to new lows. Their brains and consciences are rotted black holes of hate. It’s a wonder they don’t blow their own brains out from their self hate.

sparrow59
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I differ with Warren too, but that is not appropriate at a time like this. Prayers for his family.

Nathan M. Bickel
Guest

When I read this news of the Warren’s losing their son to suicide, I was shocked. Immediately, I prayed for the Rick Warren family. I can’t imagine the sorrow and emptiness that has filled their beings. Those who use this sad tragedy to heap scorn upon the Warren family are worse than cold hearted individuals. The good and just Lord will deal with them, appropriately – and, I’m sure, individually.

TrailDust
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Nathan, you have a pastor’s heart.

Nathan M. Bickel
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traildustfotm –
Thank you. But, what I expressed should be normal for any Christian, whether pastor or non-pastor. The Bible says that His children love Him because He first loved us. And, Jesus stated that the two main commandments were to:|
(1) Love the Lord our God with all that is in us
and to –
(2) Love our neighbor as ourselves.
But, those 2 major endeavors are “commandments.” The natural “thing” for a Christian, is to demonstrate genuine love. It is the first “fruit of the Spirit” listed in the Christian New Testament.

igor
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igor

never heard of him. condolences go out over his sons death though i guess the kid couldn’t take much more of this obama economy

TrailDust
Admin

My thoughts exactly. I disagree with Rick Warren on some very significant issues, but he has my prayers and my sympathy on this terrible loss.
Let’s all pray for the Warrens, that consolation and comfort would flow from heaven into their hearts to carry them right now.

alice wolf
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alice wolf

Dear heavenly Father, you say in your word that we should take every thought captive that would contradict what we know to be true about you. So we lift up Pastor Warren and his wife and pray that at this time of their grief that they have the courage to rise up in the power of the Holy Ghost and meet this challenge together. We know that through pain and suffering that great things can come about, and in the words of the wirter who endured the loss of his family find a way to say ” All is well… Read more »

PatriotUSA
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I read some of the vile and hateful comments that these ‘freethinkers, fags, freaks, fairies and just soulless people have left and some are downright despicable. To be so filled with so much hatred and directing it at anyone in the Warren’s position, leaves me at a loss for words or using words that would get me in trouble, so I will not use them. To anyone who has lost a loved one to suicide, they know what an empty place it is for answers, a true feeling of helplessness almost overpowers you. I know, I lost my very cool… Read more »

DCG
Admin

Sorry about your nephew 🙁

PatriotUSA
Guest

Thank you DCG. It is something that I would not wish upon my enemies or anyone. You never forget and you are always left wondering, with questions. It has been well over 20 years and it is etched in my heart forever. My brother relives it almost everyday in some way shape or form.
Thanks again.

lindarm
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It just occurred to me as I was reading more of the comments, that those who left those vile hateful comments are the VERY SAME ONES who are always up in arms over how they think they are treated, and I am talking about homosexuals and atheists. They are always in the news protesting theri treatement. There’s a double standard here. They want to be treated well, but they don’t mind treating others badly when it suits them. Wow talk about hypocrisy.

glenn47
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glenn47

In times like this, it saddens me to think some people choose to leave the human race and become such hateful people.
Everything should be cast aside and thoughts and empathy should go out to the family right now.
Something you should never do is question a man while he is in such pain, losing a child is the highest pain there is.
You have to wonder just how sad of life these people lead.
The Warren family has my deepest regards right now, even though we have a few differences, now, is not the time.

Melinda
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Melinda

It’s hard to have the mind of Christ when dealing with such hate, but God in his infinite love will give comfort to Rick Warren and his entire family in the death of his son.

kerijay
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kerijay

The leftist are causing the hate and confusing younger minds. All the prescription drugs that are causing Suicide and shootings.
Drug prescriptions statistics
Statistics for shootings and drug prescriptions
https://ssristories.com/index.php?p=school

Joan
Editor

Thank you Dr. Eowyn for telling us about this terribly sad tragedy. I will offer my suffering to Jesus today, joining mine to His, for the young Mr. Warren, that Jesus is holding him in His arms, and that Jesus give His abiding comfort and peace to the entire Warren family, as well as to you, Patriot USA for the loss of your nephew. Remember, “Jesus, I Trust In You!”

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Left/libtard compassion… never let a crisis go to waste to feel good by making someone else feel worse.

alice wolf
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alice wolf

Jesus is the truth. What you reference as truth does not conform to the word of God, and Jesus came in the flesh as the word. The Warrens will be able to deal with this situation through the grace that God extends to followers of Jesus Christ, the embodiment of truth This can only be spiritually discerned and not in the physical realm. Prayer is something that is spiritual and the power of the Holy Spirit is the force that makes it effectual and fervent and those who pray thus communicate with the Father in his spiritual language which is… Read more »

pnordman
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pnordman

When our oldest son committed suicide (my husband and I heard him scream and then the shot that killed him) I heard many insensitive remarks. No one knows the circumstances and my son’s reasons. I finally decided to pray for these dear people – they knew not what they were doing to my heart! I also decided to view his DEATH as his mission in life, strange as that sounds. About four months after he died I wrote a booklet GRIEF (available on Internet) that went into a worldwide ministry. The night Chuck died I literally begged God that his… Read more »

pnordman
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pnordman

God bless you, dear Dr. Eowyn, Trail Dust and Steve!
God blessed this tragedy in ways I would not have thought possible. One of the biggest lessons I learned is this: we have so many blessings in our life and we are so unaware of how precious a normal day is.
I am so grateful for this website! You folks stay very healthy, eat your veggies, and continue to water our parched souls!
With great love,
Patricia

TrailDust
Admin

You too Patricia,
We rely on you, too.

Steve
Member

Patrica, We couldn’t do it without you too..