Govt Snatched Baby From "Militia" Couple

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What is happening to America? This is so shocking, I’m still shaking my head.
Oath Keepers (OK) is a voluntary, non-partisan, and non-violent association of currently serving military, reserves, National Guard, veterans, Peace Officers, and Fire Fighters. OK members have sworn an Oath to the United States Constitution — “to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, so help us God.” Oath Keepers is NOT a militia, and even if it were, there’s nothing wrong with it. On the contrary, free Americans forming voluntary militia groups is our Constitutional right.

In this video, a young couple claims that their newborn baby girl was taken from the hospital by New Hampshire’s Family Child Services because of the couple’s “association with the militia group, Oath Keepers.”

Here’s an account by Colonel Sixx for Before It’s News, October 8, 2010:

A newborn baby was ripped from its mother’s arms by officials from the New Hampshire Division of Family Child Services accompanied by police last night after authorities cited the parents’ association with the Oath Keepers organization as one of the primary reasons for the snatch, heralding a shocking new level of persecution where Americans’ political beliefs are now being used by the state to kidnap children.
What was supposed to be one of the most joyous occasions of their lives turned into a nightmare for John Irish and Stephanie Janvrin, after they were told by The Director of Security and the Head Nurse at Concord Hospital that their baby would be taken to be checked by the hospital pediatrician.
“They lied to us – they got us to allow them to take our daughter under false pretenses, we didn’t even have a choice,” said Irish.
When Irish tried to stop his daughter being taken, the baby was immediately wheeled out in a bassinet, after which Irish saw three men in suits accompanied by uniformed police officers as well as detectives and social workers. who proceeded to try to search Irish.
“They forced me to stand up, held my hands behind my back and patted me down,” said Irish, before police told him they were taking the baby. “My fiancé didn’t even get any time to bond with the baby – they came in and stole our child,” said Irish. The parents were given a couple of minutes with their daughter before being forced by police to leave the hospital. Irish was subsequently told that a “security officer” would follow his every move.
The affidavit in support of the decision to take the child, which has been verified by Oath Keepers, states, “The Division became aware and confirmed that Mr. Irish associated with a militia known as the Oath Keepers,” confirming that political beliefs were, amongst other reasons, one of the primary factors behind the snatching of the baby.
Even if the additional reasons cited in the affidavit, which are unproven at this time, could be considered sufficient reason for the state to take the baby, the fact that political affiliations were even mentioned is a frightening indictment of how far the government’s war on Americans who dissent against authority has advanced.
“Regardless of the other allegations, it is utterly unconstitutional for government agencies to list Mr. Irish’s association with Oath Keepers in an affidavit in support of a child abuse order to remove his daughter from his custody.” writes Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes. “Talk about chilling speech! If this is allowed to continue, it will chill the speech of not just Mr. Irish, but all Oath Keepers and it will serve as the camel under the tent for other associations being considered too risky for parents to dare. Thus, it serves to chill the speech of all of us, in any group we belong to that ‘officials’ may not approve of. Don’t you dare associate with such and such group, or you could be on ‘the list’ and then child protective services might come take your kids.”
The parents were not even full members of the Oath Keepers organization, they were merely on a discussion list related to the group. This makes the case even more shocking – you don’t even have to be directly associated with a group that the government deems to be a “militia” to have your baby stolen – you merely have to be involved in online discussions of issues relating to the constitution and freedom in America.
Irish’s own web page clearly states that he supports a “NON-violent, law abiding gathering of like minded Patriots,” and that he is “AGAINST ANY acts of violence or illegal activity.” “The Sons of Liberty Riders does not endorse or tolerate radical, extreme, violent or racial postings,” states the website.
The Oath Keepers organization is not a “militia,” as the affidavit claims, it is merely a loose network of current and former military and law enforcement professionals who have sworn not to obey unconstitutional orders such as gun confiscation, warrantless searches and mass internment of Americans. The group is committed to non-violence.
If this case is allowed to stand it opens up a hellish future for free speech and political discourse in America. If parents live in fear of having their children stolen by the state because they criticize the government, the United States can rank itself amongst the worst dictatorships in history who invoked the threat of taking people’s children if they spoke out against tyranny.
Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes has announced that a legal defense fund will be created to help Irish, and that the organization, “will actively pursue aggressive legal remedy and redress.”
“We will assist in locating competent local legal counsel in New Hampshire and additional expert legal counsel from around the country in First Amendment and child custody law,” wrote Stewart on the Oath Keepers website.
“There can be no freedom of speech, no freedom of association, no freedom to even open your mouth and “speak truth to power,” no freedom AT ALL, if your children can be black bagged and stolen from you because of your political speech and associations — because you simply dare to express your love of country, and dare to express your solidarity and fellowship with other citizens and with active duty and retired military and police who simply pledge to honor their oath and obey the Constitution. It was to prevent just such outrageous content based persecution of political dissidents that our First Amendment was written.”

Here’s a statement by Stewart Rhodes, the founder and director of Oath Keepers. Rhodes has seen the affidavit:

UPDATE : 10/07/2010 10.53PM PST — We have confirmed that the affidavit in support of the order to take the child from her parents  states, along with a long list of other assertions  against both parents, that “The Division became aware and confirmed that Mr. Irish associated with a militia known as the Oath Keepers.” Yes, there are other, very serious allegations. Out of respect for the privacy of the parents, we will not publish the affidavit. We will leave that to Mr. Irish.   But please do remember that allegations do not equal facts — they are merely allegations (and in my  experience as a criminal defense lawyer in small town Montana I saw many allegations that proved to be false).
But an even more fundamental point is that regardless of the other allegations, it is utterly unconstitutional for government agencies to list Mr. Irish’s association with Oath Keepers in an affidavit in support of a child abuse order to remove his daughter from his custody. Talk about  chilling speech! If this is allowed to continue, it will chill the speech of not just Mr. Irish, but all Oath Keepers and it will serve as the camel under the tent for other associations being considered too risky for parents to dare. Thus, it serves to chill the speech of all of us, in any group we belong to that “officials” may not approve of. Don’t you dare associate with such and such group, or you could be on “the list” and then child protective services might come take your kids.
Note that there is no allegation that Oath Keepers is a criminal organization or that Mr. Irish, in the context of his association with Oath Keepers, is committing any crime. We are not advocating or planning imminent violence, which is the established line where free speech ends and criminal behavior begins (See Brandenburg v. Ohio, 395 U.S. 444 (1969), which, as Wikipedia notes, “held that government cannot punish inflammatory speech unless it is directed to inciting and likely to incite imminent lawless action. In particular, it overruled Ohio’s criminal syndicalism statute, because that statute broadly prohibited the mere advocacy of violence.” We don’t even advocate that the current serving use violence of any kind, let alone imminent violence. We ask them to merely stand down.
Neither is Oath Keepers a militia, for that matter. However, EVEN IF WE WERE, that also would not be a valid reason to take someone’s child away. PRIVATE MILITIAS, JUST LIKE OTHER VOLUNTARY ASSOCIATIONS, ARE NOT ILLEGAL, and it is not a crime to associate with them. To the contrary, we have an absolute right, won by the blood of patriots, and protected by our First Amendment, to freely associate with each other as we damn well please so long as we are not advocating or planning  imminent violence or directly harming our children (and no, teaching them “thought crime” like “All men are created equal and are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights,” or that those who swear an oath should keep it, does not count — at least not yet). A parent associating with a militia is not  engaged in child endangerment and is not evidence of child endangerment (despite the shrill screeching of people such as Mark Potock of the SPLC, who desperately wants it to be so). Just recently a Time Magazine article described how the reporter visited the happy home of a militia member and his family — and those kids are still at home, where they belong, as is the case with many th0usands of children across this country who have parents who “associate” with private militias and all manner of other non-criminal groups. You had damn well better defend the rights of those parents to freely associate in their militias and keep their kids while doing so. You can bet that if you let such an association be listed as grounds for taking children from their parents that it won’t only be militia folks who have their rights violated. Homeschoolers, evangelical Christians, gun owners, etc. will also be on the hit list. Just wait. 

Here’s an excerpt from the affidavit (h/t Infowars):

Contact info for New Hampshire Dept of Health and Human Services:
Telephone (603) 271-4711
Toll Free Number (800) 852-3345
Fax Number (603) 271-4729
Email: Click here to email.
Contact info for Concord Hospital:
Telephone (603) 225-2711
Toll Free Instate: (800) 327-0464
Email: Click here to email.
I hope the baby’s parents sue New Hampshire’s Family Child Services until they cry bankruptcy.
H/t beloved fellows May, FSand Barb.

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0 responses to “Govt Snatched Baby From "Militia" Couple

  1. I have it from a post in Freedom Federation by Mat Staver, Liberty Counsel that THEY were going to look it to it also. He stated…and I quote…
    Mathew Staver: This is outrageous. We will look into this matter.
    Thanks for posting this Eowyn!

  2. I have been following this all afternoon. I want to hear more details about this before I become totally enraged. There may very well be something unthinkable going on here.

    • Doc’s W,
      Please see my update at the bottom of this post: A statement from Oath Keepers’ founder and president. He’s seen the affidavit.

  3. russell collins

    well if this is the case why arent they taking away all the children of followers from radical Muslim Louis farakhan, KKK, Skin Head, Nazis and so forth. I will tell you why. its all about control. these other group could be easily persuaded, bought out. true americans are the target. we are the minority. we have lost our way. we live in sin as if it is a three peice suit, gays and lesbian, insane and cruel people are put in our government offices.

  4. It would not end well if it were my child.
    I would not handle this well.My mother gave me away when I was 3.My grandmother raised me and I will stand in front of my children even now and they are middle aged.I may be old but I am not dead.fs

    • How awful, fs. You must have felt so hurt. That you did not use that to wallow in victimhood makes me admire you even more.
      Your children are so blessed to have a fiercely protective and loving mother as you!

  5. This is pure Evil. our government will stop at nothing to control Americans.

  6. Damn, they must’ve had surveillance or otherwise been monitoring the “rightwing extremists” there. (Irish’s old lady’s going into labor, alert the flying squad!) And the lame justifications. (He owned guns and, ooh, a tazer… and, OMG, went on the Oathkeepers website.) And since when can someone take away your kids because of what you MIGHT do? (Even when drunks, etc. mistreat their kids and have had ’em taken away already, you have to wait when they have a new kid until they actually mistreat THAT kid to take him/her away… and, if they don’t, that’s usually reason to get the other ones back.) Are they DUMB or did he just really piss them about stuff they couldn’t get him on?

  7. Definitely a Red Flag here!

  8. russell collins

    This has to stop, I will not let anyone take away my kids. The Government is realy changing for the worse. we ask for change?
    we had everything, and yet we were all out marching saying yes we can.
    we have been fooled, like the emperors new clothes. We have to get out of this mess soon, or we will be under martial law. remember its all Bush fault, he let us have too much freedom, i mean what President have you ever seen that had a shoe thrown at and not get mad, and have the S.O.B Wasted. he even sympathized with his attacker.

  9. FS’s comment brought back my own pain. My husband (ex) in 1975, before women really had many rights, swore he would take 10 men into court who would lie and prove me unfit if I didn’t give him my son. I had no money for a lawyer. My ex in laws raised my son. My ex only wanted to hurt me. They fed my son so many lies about me all his life. My son is now going to be 38 and is finally finding out the truth. He knows I would defend him and my daughter & my grandchildren with my life.
    They say that, if your children are in public school, you have literally signed them over to the state, the same as when you signed their birth certificate. But how could one have ever gotten by “without” signing the birth certificate?
    I KNOW they are monitoring us. Here is a another example. I do ALL my work online. Emails to senators and the House, petitions, etc. I received a letter from the GOP called the Republican Census. It came in my name and to my address. (Was not addressed “voter”). It was a questionnaire. I did not answer it because my rights were violated.
    But, in the letter, it was stated…”due to your high level of political involvement”. So, how else would they know this if I wasn’t monitored?


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