Freedom Died Today!

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I think I can finally say that today is the day that freedom died in this country. Just when I thought that our country was making a recovery, the Supreme Court has injected an air embolus directly into it’s heart and our country has gone into cardiac arrest and no amount of adrenaline or defibrillation is going to bring it back.
The Constitution, thanks to the socialists in the White House and Congress and five clueless judges on the Supreme Court now lay in tatters under their feet. The voices of the majority of Americans have been ignored, the people of this country are now faced with the reality of higher taxes, rationed healthcare, fines and jail if we don’t buy this government boondaggle. The weak, the elderly and those deemed not worthy of advanced healthcare will be judged much like the victims in the Roman arena by a thumbs up or a thumbs down by the dictator-in-chief and his death panel lackeys.
As this monstrosity becomes law and the cost explodes into trillions more of debt that we cannot afford, the private sector will be squeezed to death under the weight of more taxes and our healthcare deteriorates into a worthless entity where patients will die from treatable diseases while waiting for months and possibly years for treatment. The elderly will face death panels and denial of treatment due to their age. The terminally ill will be left to die because further treatment will be deemed futile and a waste of money. Medical research will slowly grind to a halt due to lack of funding. Doctors will begin retiring and leaving practice at an alarming rate taking years of experience with them with fewer doctors taking their places. Hospitals will have to close their doors due to funding cuts and patient overloads.
Thank you, Supreme Court, from this day forward the blood of the American people that will suffer and die due to your shortsighted, irresponsible and deadly decision, will be on your hands.
Tom in NC

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0 responses to “Freedom Died Today!

  1. Welcome to the Gulag.

     
  2. Be careful who you vote for. I believe John Roberts ruled that the people elected these goons and so must constitutionally live with the consequences of legislation enacted by those who wish to destroy the country under the false flag of compassion and health care for all.

     
  3. This is indeed a sad day for the USA. All seniors over the age of 70 must prepare to die. One man has the power of life or death over them. Thank heaven I am southern enough not to confuse love of my country with love of my government. Welcome to the USSA!

     
  4. We are now officially Amerika.
    Thank you, John “Turncoat” Roberts.
    -Dave

     
  5. Sick, sick, sick. That’s all I can say.

     
  6. I’m stunned. Either Justice Roberts has been a progressive in disguise all along, or something very sinister-very wicked, has occurred to cause him to vote for upholding this law.
    I’m afraid this is only a sign of much more “control” to come

     
  7. The Europeans have called Americans “stupid” for a very long time,,,and alas, they are correct. We have allowed this to happen by being apathetic and uninvolved…I am certain, if we do not demand it, we will no longer be a Free Country…I weep.

     
    • The Europeans should mind their own collapsing deck of card. They are even stupider than Americans as they have gone down the road of socialism and ruin even further than America. Greece & Spain are bankrupt; Italy is fast behind, so are Ireland and Portugal.

       
  8. I wrote legal opinions for the reasons the Supreme Court could never legally agree with the health care legislation. The States have been betrayed. The three branches of the federal government have become one monolithic hungry beast for all power without true justice or the truth of anything except blood thirsty power.

     
  9. The POS had also declared a state of national emergency in his Executive Order 13603 on National Defense Resources Preparedness, which even a Democrat lawyer dubbed “martial law lite.”
    https://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2012/03/17/obama-issues-executive-order-of-effective-martial-law/
    https://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2012/03/19/a-democrat-lawyer-calls-obamas-executive-order-martial-law-lite/

     
  10. BritCapitalist

    Freedom will never die as long as we are willing and determined to fight for it. This perverse decision is simply a hiccup as Obamacare WILL be thrown out in it’s entirety in November together with the POS. Have faith!
    “Never give in, never give in, never; never; never; never.
    Winston Churchill

     
  11. Freedom died today?
    If freedom died after 10am, it wasn’t because it couldn’t afford healthcare.

     
  12. Well, isn’t this just wonderful – NOT! I’m just so disappointed and saddened.
    I can only hope this hurts Skippy in November seeing that the majority of Americans didn’t want Obamacare. Hope, and pray.

     
  13. Talking to a liberal socialist is like a doctor giving medicine to a dead person. 

     
  14. artie fischell

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Israel
    Y’all support Israel, dontcha? Well YOUR tax dollars go to support a health care plan over there that you think is bad over here.
    This is (as Artie Johnson would say) VEEEERRRRRYYYYY interesting!

     
    • That’s only one horrible use of our foreign aid dollars. You want a horror story? How about the millions we’re sending to that anti-white racist dictator in Zimbabwe?

       
  15. artie fischell

    That’s a FANTASTIC comparison, Dr. Eowyn.
    Like comparing ducks and mangoes.
    ‘Nice try though! Please re read my post, and understand that Israel has universal compulsory health care. We, on the other hand have this retarded system that will kill us. It is horribly broken. The ACA, while far from perfect will help the average American.
    Love, Artie…..

     
    • Please provide a list of people you know that have died from this “retarded system”.
      How will ACA help the average American? By taxing you if you don’t buy their mandate? Sounds like a great plan…

       
    • Really? How is that like “comparing ducks and mangoes”? Foreign aid ill-spent is foreign aid ill-spent, whether the recipient is Zimbabwe or Israel — unless, of course, if one is a Jew-hater, oops, I meant Zionist-hater.
      Love,
      Dr. Eowyn
      (who can be just as phoney as artie fischell, who’s visiting FOTM for the first time today, with the faux love)

       
  16. artie fischell

    Sure, DCG; My brother John and my Mother.
    I have a friend named Jesse who has worked only part time since the recession hit, thus has NO insurance, and recently diagnosed with cancer, which has metastasized…because you can’t manage a serious disease at a clinic or ER, THEM’S the facts, like it or not
    I currently have an affliction that was diagnosed by three drs. as osteoarthritis, and simply prescribed pain pills. I went outside my insurance plan on the advice of a friend with a similar condition, visited a chiropractic clinic where I am getting massage therapy and adjustments, and I’m feeling at least 20% better after 2 visits, having lived with this pain for over 2 years.
    Another friend was diagnosed with a wasting disease, her Dr wanted to put her on disability. She and her husband run a business, and they Both need to work it. She had intense deep tissue massage, and is back to work.
    She was misdiagnosed; many Drs. don’t have the proper time to spend with patients.
    A man I work with has been shuttled from Doctor to Doctor for over 5 years trying to get help for his wife who has a complicated electro-mechanical cardiac problem. She cannot work, and has been denied disability; at 54, he has just filed for bankrupsy protection, Their life savings have been exhausted AND he has insurance, the co pays and deductabled have crushed them.
    One of my best friends from my childhood,was last year diagnosed with prostrate cancer. He had it removed, several months later, had a PET scan which was either read incorrectly or was a bad scan. His Dr. recommended an agressive radiation therapy program; he went for a second opinion, and found he had NO cancer. The radiation treatment would heve sickened or killed him.Based on these true stories, I’d conclude that the system is deeply flawed.
    If you would like to have a civil debate on the subject, I’d be much obliged, Mam. In the interim, please tell me why the Israeli plan would not work here.
    Are we not worthy? And why is the ACA evil and ruinous? It ain’t perfect, by any stretch, but it is a move in the right direction.
    BTW, if you’re 70 or older, sadly you’re on the “short list”. Enjoy it while you can!
    Your friend, Artie

     
    • And a government run system is going to make things better? Yeah, right.
      I don’t know anything about the plan you mentioned to speak of it.

       
  17. artie fischell

    The government seems to do pretty well with S.S., the military, and many other institutions.
    “I don’t know anything about the plan you mentioned”.
    I have provided a link for your convienance.
    The Israeli plan is a universal, single payer plan with COMPULSORY participation.
    Your friend, Artie

     
    • The U.S. government — in the person of Congress and successive presidential administrations — decided to give billions of dollars in aid to Israel every year (Israel is our largest foreign aid recipient). How that $ is spent by the recipient is up to those governments, except in some cases for some aid $ that is designated to pay for arms purchases from the U.S.
      If your point is that we shouldn’t be financing Israel — or any government’s — socialist health plan, I totally agree with you. Now what are YOU doing about that?

       
    • Perhaps you haven’t seen the CBO report on SS? Fiscally sound, I’m sure. The military does good in protecting us and others, for sure. Yet they have many layers of bureaucracy just like any other government agency and waste a lot of money. Post Office isn’t doing so great, billions in the hole. Food stamp program wrought with fraud. TSA is doing good in groping the elderly and kids. GSA did pretty well in Vegas from what I hear. And under this administration, agencies are being used to push a political agenda as opposed to their real mission, i.e. NASA. There’s not one federal government agency that is designed to operate in an efficient manner.
      I’m wondering why those who received Obamacare waivers aren’t as excited about ACA as you are…
      Just because we give Israel money doesn’t mean we tell them how to spend it.

       
  18. This sucks.

     
  19. edward oleander

    I honestly don’t think most of the fears noted above are going to come true under Obamacare. EVERY system in the world rations healthcare, and every system has checks and balances to avoid degeneration into any of several possible extremes. I study the hidden costs of the current system, and I think the savings in E.R. costs and prevented illness will make a bigger difference than most people realize.
    Our current system DOES kill people. On average, Minneapolis loses about 90 street people a year to all causes. In any given year, I knew about 1/2 of them, along with their medical histories. In any given year, several of those deaths would have been preventable under a system like Israel’s.
    I do know this much: Our current experiment with healthcare based on employer benefits and private pooled-risk insurance is coming to an end. It wasn’t designed to take the stress it’s under, and it hasn’t worked all that well in the 100 years it has existed. Multiple studies indicate that doing nothing will result in roughly 20 – 30% of hospitals closing within 10 – 20 years. Most of these will be rural county hospitals, which will severely limit the access to healthcare for the bottom two socioeconomic quintiles, and possibly starting an even worse snowball as the rest of the system tries to absorb those poorer patients. Medical Assistance programs are providing a smaller % of total revenue, and that will continue in the next 20 years as counties and states continue to face budget issues. This will cause the closures to move into the urban centers.
    One thing I haven’t heard is alternatives to just scrapping Obamacare. What are some ideas that FOTM members would consider as viable alternatives that can be sustained through the coming decades?
    ~ed

     
    • Our current system didn’t kill my grandmother or my dad’s two wives that all died from cancer. They all received excellent treatment, even through Medicare, albeit with additional insurance they paid for.
      People don’t die from lack of health care, they die from disease, uninformed information, lack of knowledge of responsible healthcare decisions, and – most importantly – personal lifestyle choices.
      Many street people choose to ignore basic hygiene, they choose drugs and alcohol , and choose to not live a healthy life. Why should I pay for poor choices?
      If a private sector insurance firm or hospital can’t handle the stress, why do you believe a government outfit can do any better? I’d rather take my chances on my own decisions, lifestyle, ability to pay, charity, and personal responsibilities, TYVM.

       
      • edward oleander

        DCG, my point was that the system that provided your family members with excellent care is going away. We can choose to transition to a new system in a controlled manner, or we can just let the chips fall where they may, and hope there’s something left for the vast majority of us, and not just the few who will still have functioning benefits and/or enough money to pay their bills. When you say you would rather take your chances, the thing to remember is that YOUR (and my) only chance to participate in shaping the healthcare future is right now.
        Here’s my analogy: Healthcare is an airplane and we are all passengers. The plane is running of fuel, and the passengers are being asked for ideas on how and when the plane should refuel. Obamacare is one possible way of refueling the plane in mid-flight. A true single payer system would be the plane landing and getting new engines before take-off. There might be better ways to refuel, and we might not need new engines, but if we talk about it long enough without doing ANYTHING, the plane will (by running out of fuel) decide for us how and where we land. We probably won’t like the results. Your choices and preferences will mean very little to the plane at that point.
        We can’t let a discussion of one group (i.e. street people) distract us from the main problem. I just used them because I know that segment of the population well, and already factored in the points you brought up (some of which I might argue with in scope if not in substance). The reality of the poor, the illegal, the mentally impaired, and the working poor MUST be factored in, because they aren’t going away, and refusing them access to healthcare will make the Rodney King riots look like Sunday debates in the town square gazebo… Being denied what little and primitive healthcare existing in the late 18th century played a fair part in the French Revolution. Do not want!

         
        • I’m not going to address illegals. They pay or get out of the country. As a young woman I lived in a foreign country and was responsible for paying for my own healthcare, period. Illegal kids, brought here by no choice of their own, that’s different. There are plenty low cost city, county, and charitable facilities to help them. The poor can use those facilities too, as well as college/vocational medical facilities that offer discount prices.
          Reform is necessary yet I’m quite positive federal government mandate/takeover is not the best reform. Ask anyone that’s been to a VA hospital or is covered under Tricare. Feds have no desire to operate efficiently, provide exceptional service, nor control/reduce costs.
          Insurance is a tricky thing – risk and determining the cost of it is a cluster. I don’t know the best solution. I’d rather trust the private sector over government. I just know the Feds have never improved anything in my life. I don’t trust them whatsoever to determine the best reform.

           
          • edward oleander

            This is my frustration about healthcare reform in general. It HAS to take reality into account… Wishing illegals would pay or go home is fine, but until it happens, they will continue to flood our Emergency Rooms. Any solution HAS to acknowledge that, or it won’t solve the crisis.
            There really aren’t enough cheap/free sources of healthcare to handle the current load, let alone the future load that will result from not enacting some large reforms. I volunteer for one of those free resources. We have enough funding to be open four days a week, for three hours a day (five years ago it was five hours a day, five days a week). We have one doc, one very part-time volunteer nurse (me), and a few volunteer medical students. Doc sees 10 to 20 patients a day, with me and the students handling about half that many minor cases. The county sources you mention are drying up VERY quickly with budget squeezes. The county grant that is our main funding source has been cut by 2/3 in the past three years, and might disappear for good next year. I take patients to our county hospital fairly often, and it’s clear that usage of the E.R. is rising as small clinics like ours fade away.
            And Minnesota is one of the better-off states… The South and Southwest are being crippled. I continually ask people, if not Obamacare, then what? The main purpose of asking that is to get people to think about just how desperate the situation really is. Wait 10 or 20 years for reform to take hold, and instead of 45 million uninsured you will have 80 – 100 million uninsured. The best place to stop a rock rolling downhill is not in the middle of the hill… and believe me, that rock is rolling right now, and YOUR local hospital is at the bottom of the hill.
            Sorry if it seems like I’m flogging this to death in post after post, but this is an issue I live every day, and it defines the path in life that I’ve chosen. I can’t solve world hunger, peace in the Middle East, or illegal immigration. I don’t know the complexities. Healthcare I understand. Hospital finance I understand. The frailties of our current system I understand, so these are the issues I’m most vocal on… and I firmly believe that most of the objections people have about Obamacare are based on misconceptions and the misinformation they’ve been exposed to. National-level critics pointing out potential problems while glossing over the fact that issues like rationing and denial-of-care are already here, and have been here for a long time, is hypocritical, but being done nonetheless. The whole point of reform is to fix some of the very problems people like Sarah Palin are saying will be caused or exacerbated by the ACA… So please forgive me for continuing to to rail from my soapbox…
            ~ed

             
    • edward oleander

      I actually fully expected the mandate to be shot down as being unconstitutional. I agree that it is. However, I see it as something the Admin was forced into to make ANY reform work at all. If the mandate (in whatever form it takes) isn’t there, then the ideas of universal (or as close as possible) coverage and no refusal for pre-existing conditions CANNOT work… If we fail to reform, tens of millions more people will lose access to healthcare. Revolutions have been fought over less.
      I’m not looking at this as some sort of evil precedent for the government taking away more of our rights. I’m looking at it as healthcare reform, and nothing more. We NEED reform, so what was asking for was ideas to accomplish that reform in an acceptable manner (i.e. not violating the Constitution).

       
    • edward oleander

      #1 is a good idea, although we prolly disagree on the maximum. The 250k figure most often from the Right is too low in many cases.
      #2 would save lots of money in a few states, but would have social, political, and economic consequences that far outweigh the cost savings. Remember also that a lot of those illegals are kids. Kids need healthy parents to care for them, so caring for them but not their parents won’t end well.
      #3 hasn’t worked too well in the past. Neither has it’s opposite.
      #4 Only if I can send you Michele Bachmann and her closeted, self-hating “husband”…
      #5 My motto was once “Leave each other the Hell alone!” Wishful thinking, as it turns out… none of us can live in a bubble (however hard GWB tried)…
      🙂

       
  20. edward oleander

    Terry, thanks for the back and forth on this one. We’ll never figure it out if we don’t explain ourselves to each other… I wish we could do this in front of 100,000 people, but I’ll take 100!
    Hope your A/C is working today!
    ~ed

     
  21. That order declares Russian acquisition and accumulation of nuclear weapons an emergency for the U.S. That has nothing to do with this and to post it like it wasn’t covered to suggest secrecy only proves it wasn’t important enough to become alarmist about.

     
  22. He didn’t call it a tax. Also, if it was legally done, then it isn’t unconstitutional. Considering it was deemed constitutional and all.

     

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