Death Panels for the Elderly – Three Testimonies

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A friend in Arizona just sent me this; three first-hand accounts of  senior healthcare (or lack thereof)  as designated by “ethics panels” in the age of Obamacare. ~LTG

ARIZONA:   I read the House bill and part of the Senate version, and it made me sick to my stomach.  I don’t think it will make any difference who is elected president.  Either the Supreme Court throws out the bill or Congress will have to.  The President can not; it was Congress who put it in and Obama signed it.
This probably accounts for the fact that my husband was not treated for stage 4 of kidney failure last year, nor  were we told when it was first diagnosed in 2008.  I only found out by ordering the back medical records.  Dialysis was never offered.  The hospital simply let him die, and I think it was because of his age.

CONNECTICUT:    Forget about getting to age 75, this exact thing happened to me this morning at Danbury hospital here in Ct. I was scheduled for a cardio-lite stress test. This is a tread mill stress test where during the process they inject nuclear dye into your blood stream and then put you in a CAT scan or something similar and take a picture of your heart. If all is good the heart shows up red, if there are blocked arteries anywhere that portion of the heart shows up pink. I have had three of these tests in the past twelve years due to blocked arteries discovered in 2000. They use the test to determine if I need a roto router or a bypass operation.
So I arrive at the hospital at 8 am this morning and I am in the process of checking in at Cardiology and the lady says that my appointment has been canceled. She makes a call and speaks with someone and hands me the phone. It is a nurse in cardiology who says that my medical coverage denied the procedure. I said it was routine, part of my heart maintenance process and ordered by my PCP and with approval from my Cardiologist who is the head of Danbury Cardiology which is right where I was standing. She goes, “yes but we were denied our request”. So I say, I have Medicare so what is my backup insurance doing denying anything. Then the bombshell, she says it was the Medicare board that denied the procedure.
At that point, I turn to everyone behind me, and it was a long line, and I say to them “well you won’t have to wait too long today because my stress test procedure was just canceled by a Medicare Death Panel. I am only 67 so can you imagine what is going to happen when we really get old”. The entire waiting room and everyone there from patients to staff just went dead silent. So I turn to the front desk and tell them, ” I guess I will have to write a letter to the editor of the Danbury News Times and call my Senators and Congressman and let them know the Death Panels have already convened”. Then I walked out.
By the time I got home the message machine was blinking. My PCP had already called and so did the hospital and guess what, Medicare decided to approve my stress test procedure and if I could get back down to the hospital they would fit me in right now for this 3 hour procedure. I told them I couldn’t make it, that I was going fishing because I didn’t know how many more fishing trips I could get in before I went into cardiac arrest but not to worry about me costing the government any money because I am a 30% disabled Army veteran, due to Agent Orange poisoning which is what caused this heart problem to begin with, and I qualify to be buried for free in a plain pine wrapper in the cheap graves section at any National Cemetary. I certainly don’t want to cost our government any money so maybe we just won’t do this procedure anymore and we can use the money to redistribute it to all of the illegals to keep them alive so they can mow the lawns at the National Cemeteries.
So this Death Panel crap has started. Feel free to distribute my note to anyone and make it a mission to not only make your vote count but on behalf of all of us please make an effort to change the thinking of anyone remotely willingly to get intellectually engaged in this critical time in our country’s history.
TENNESSEE:  I had one of the most troubling, most disturbing conversations ever with Dr. Suzanne Allen, head of emergency services at the Johnson City Medical Center in Tennessee . We were discussing the “future” and I asked her had she seen any affects of Obama Care in her work?
Oh, yes. We are seeing cutbacks throughout the services we provide. For example, we are now having to deal with patients who would normally receive dialysis can no longer be accepted. In the past, there was always automatic approval under Medicare for anyone who needed dialysis — not anymore.” So, what will be their outcome? “They will die soon without dialysis,” she stated.
What about other services? She indicated as of 2013 (after the election), no one over 75 will be given major medical procedures unless approved by locally administered Ethics Panels. These Panels will determine whether a patient receives medical treatment or not. While details on specific operating procedures and schedules, Dr. Allen points out that most life-threatening emergencies do not occur during normal hospital business hours, and if there are emergencies that depend to be resolve within minutes or just few hours, the likely hood of getting these Panels approval in time to save a life are going to be very challenging and difficult, if not impossible she said.
This applies to major operations such as receiving stents, bypass surgery, kidney operations, or treating for an aneurysm that would be normally covered under Medicare today. In other words, if you needed a life-saving operation, Medicare will not provide coverage anymore after 2013 if you are 75 or over. When in 2013? “We haven’t been given a specific date — could be in January or July….but it’s after the election.”
This is shocking to any of us who will be 75 this year. Her advice — get healthy and stay healthy. We do not know the specifics of the actual implementation of the full Obama Care policies and procedures — “they haven’t filtered down to the local level yet. But we are already seeing severe cuts in what we provide to the elderly — we refused dialysis to an individual who was 78 just the other day….we refused to give stents to a gentleman who was in his late 80s.” Every day, she said, we are seeing these cutbacks aimed at reducing care across the board for anyone who is over 75.
We can only hope that Obama Care will be overturned by the Supreme Court — otherwise, this is a death sentence to those who are over 75….perhaps you should pass this on to your friends who are thinking of voting for Obama this year.
Regardless if you have private health care coverage now (I have Aetna Medicare Part B) — it will no longer apply after 2013 if the Ethics Panels disapprove of a procedure that may save your life.
Scary, scary, scary. Think about this? You? Your parents? Your loved ones?
Didn’t know about it? Of course, not. As Nancy Pelosi said….”well, if you want to know what’s in the bill, you’ll have to read it…..” After it was passed.
This is a graphic reminder of the need to stay healthy. Get your plot now at Forest Lawn….while they last.
Is this a death sentence to those of us who will reach 75?…..Yes!

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0 responses to “Death Panels for the Elderly – Three Testimonies

  1. Frightening and grim. Folks, if you don’t scream bloody murder about this to your reps in Congress, then we deserve what’s coming.

    • Our office is seeing these things every week now. Also, meds that elderly patients have been taking for years are now no longer approved. So sad and unfair.

  2. We feel The Death Panels breathing down our necks also. My husband was diagnosed at age 60 with prostate cancer. The idea was to wait and see, and if it grew quickly and his PSA number jumped, then surgery. So a year later, the PSA# had more than doubled, and we were mentally preparing for surgery; he even announced his retirement at work so he could deal with complications at home. But wait, they said, let’s do another biopsy. While having that done, the surgery nurse scolded him for waiting and said this is nothing to mess around with. Yet…a week later, when they called, they said we’ll just set up another biopsy for a year from now. Forget the surgery. Gee, do I smell a death panel? And he’s only 62.

  3. This is awful. However, it is not unexpected. The problem is that it is a closed medical system, and frankly, the cancer treatments are so bad, that they are worse than the disease. I have high blood pressure, but I doubt I’d ever consent to any kind of heart surgery.
    My idea, and it is just my opinion, is that everyone should improve their diet,
    lose a little weight, and do whatever it takes to stay healthy. These doctors only treat the symptoms and don’t do much about the underlying problem, such as cancer. I saw my mom and father-in-law, who I was close to, die of cancer, and all the jerks in the white coats could do is to watch them die.
    My father-in-law had chemotherapy and it destroyed his immune system.
    So, do some studying on proper nutrition, and stay off the sugar as much as possible. Figure out something that works for you and then stick to it. If you are lazy about this, you will have a difficult time staying healthy.
    If more people stayed out of the hospitals, perhaps their survival rate will increase. There may be a silver lining here.
    However, those people who want or need the medical care should have it and this shows just how useless the so-called government it and it will never get better. They are assholes, and they should be treat as such.

  4. Time to act is now. Change your wills and trusts so that NO one under the age of 30 gets a nickel. Spend all your money that is intended to get them through e weddings, cars, and any monetary assistance. It is the young people voting this stuff through. Leave the greedy bastards nothing. My cat has a big smile on his face.

  5. This is “WAR”. Turn the tables on the greedy little bastards now. They are merciless. We the over 60 crowd have the power stop the greed. Don’t think about it. Do it.

    • Economic boycotts work really well. Stop using doctors if you can do it safely. I can’t stand to go to the doctor and I haven’t had a blood test in years.
      Cancer treatment is a real loser. Why pay 500,000 plus for a treatment that is going to destroy yor immune system? Sure, you may kill the cancer, but you’ll also kill the patient. Cancer usually comes back with a vengeance.
      I used a calcium treatment for a possible lung cancer way back when, and I’m still here. But I still get mocked because I didn’t go to a “healthcare professional.” I’m not sure if I’ve posted this link here before, so forgive me if I have.
      I believe that alternative treatments may be much better to achieve an actual cure than just treating the symptoms. This way, you can avoid the “death panels” and let the medical industry rot in its own excrement.

      • The only people that have access to medical care are those whose employers provide it@ a reasonable cost. Or, more often the welfare people who use the Emergency Room as if it were the doctors office.As you can see, if you work you pay through the nose, if you’re lazy you get it free…..where is the justice!!!!!

  6. It’s so unfair…my dear old dad was able to get a heart valve transplant at age 74 and he had another good 11 years because of it. He was a joy to be around, a hard worker, a veteran of WWII, and never a burden to anyone. But under Obamacare he would have been reduced to a number and swept into the trash. Any society that doesn’t care for their elderly and their helpless deserves to die.

  7. Well, you remember the Congress and the President opted out of Obamacare because it was inferior to what they needed. They think they are better than the rest of us, and want taxpayers to continue to pay for them to have CADILLAC HEALTLH CARE SERVICES!! I bet Nancy Lou will get cardiac surgery even if she is 85!!! Kind of a DOUBLE STANDARD dont you think?? VOTE TEA PARTY!!!

  8. edward oleander

    So what are our alternatives? EVERY option kills somebody. That’s no joke. It always comes around to body counts. It isn’t right to let anyone die because of rationed health care, but unrationed healthcare is NOT possible.
    Throughout ALL history, the answer has been, “Them what has, gets.” Only in the last 100 years have any real attempts been made to try and give healthcare to everyone. Employer-provided private insurance is about the same age. It ain’t workin’. Our current system is failing. It will not last long enough to get past the challenges posed by the Baby Boomers. If NOTHING changes, it is thought that at least 20% and possibly 35% of our hospitals will no longer be able to operate. The ones that close will be primarily city and county public hospitals, but most large systems nationwide are running operating losses right now, with no prospect of reversing that in the foreseeable future.
    I’m out of ideas that I think have a snowball’s chance of actually being enacted. Socialized medicine gives us the problems seen by England and Canada, and is not feasible in our current political environment.
    Totally private insurance means that most poor and elderly won’t get ANY healthcare, because the cost will exclude them.
    Rationing WILL happen. But how? Will the dollar decide? Will age decide? If the lifeboat holds 50, and you put in 51, someone goes over the side. Who will it be and why?
    Personally, I believe the problems of socialized medicine are easier to fix than the inequalities that will result from government-free healthcare. France can teach us about what happens when the poor (and especially the working poor) are completely excluded. For those of us getting older (I’m 50 this year), we need to remember that elderly and poor are often the same group of people. Let’s hear some practical ideas…

    • Prices are over because of medical insurance and the high price of medical malpractice. The main problem in solving an issue like this is of the nature of the product and service. It it not possible to deny people this service just because they cannot pay. But they shouldn’t be forced to pay for something that they don’t want.
      If prices were more in line with a more free market system, the prices would theoretically go down and the quality should go up. In the case of our medical system, prices go up and the quality seems to stay the same.
      My idea of fixing this is to no allow any insurance. People would be expected to pay their medical bills, but at a much lower price. The money that the insurance companies rip off of the consumer would be available for paying the bill directly by the patient.
      People in the community can always help someone else who get something catastrophic and they’ll be better able to do that if medical insurance is completely out of the picture. Let the prices drop to what the average person can afford.
      I had a two day stay about 2 years ago and the bill was over $50,000.00 It shouldn’t cost that much, however, because of insurance and high prices,
      people simply cannot afford the product nor can they afford the insurance.
      If there is no insurance, then the medical system would have to operate within the economic confines of the average income.
      I would get the FDA out of the picture and allow a free medical system. As long as a doctor has the basic requirements to work, he should be able to pursue medical remedies outside of the establishment. Let the medical people compete just like anyone else.

  9. Oleander……………..Is back……………………..

  10. I have just said the prayer of exorcism. . .In any event, on Wednesday I learned from an elderly friend that she received written communication that she would only be able to hospitalized five more times IN HER LIFETIME. I believe she is in her 70’s. Her husband died last year. More verification of the coming death panels. Soon, since I am severely disabled, the same reductions in service will happen to me.

    • Grouchy,
      The Lord’s Prayer (“Our Father who art is Heaven….”) is a powerful prayer of exorcism. It ends with “…lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. Amen”
      The prayer’s original ending was “but deliver us from the Evil One. Amen.”

  11. I don’t understand the point of your graph at the beginning. It is from an article discussing the moral, ethical, and scientific considerations for organ transplantation. Published in 2009, meaning it was sent to press in 2008 and is irrelevant with regard to Obama. Age and health have always been considered for scarce medical treatments.
    As for the email “stories”, they sound like folk tales, probably untrue, designed to scare unknowing seniors in an election year. And again, if true, this is happening BEFORE the implementation of the Affordable Care Act (tagged by Republicans as scary “ObamaCare”) provisions. The Medicare decision board to be established by the ACA is charged with reducing costs and waste in Medicare (something everyone should favor) and is not permitted to RATION care in any way or capacity. This is the board tagged as “death panels” by dishonest Republicans.
    Stop scaring seniors with dishonest graphs and “data” and folk tales.

    • Folk tales?
      Here’s a personal testimony:
      3 years ago, my husband had a “silent” heart attack followed by quadruple bypass cardiac surgery. At the time, the doctors said his heart valve may become a problem. Well, it is a problem, which triggered another medical crisis 3 months ago. Fortunately, the problem is being managed by a combination of diuretics (to drain fluid from the heart) and special socks — at least for now. While discussing with his physicians the alternatives available should that valve goes critical, he was told that given his age and previous cardiac surgery, his doctors will have to confer on the advisability of surgery to repair that heart valve and that their conclusion likely would be negative.
      That “panel” of doctors is a death panel.
      You Obamabots will go to any lengths to defend that fraud. You should stop being in denial:
      ckelly is a jerk

      • You have to understand that a liberal or a progressive is an extremely evil, stupid, and without one shred of morals. Medical care is one of the most personal choices to be made by anyone, and all people should have the option to get the care they think is best for them. To think that an old person has to depend upon a “death” panel of doctors is simply outrageous.
        Someone like me may pass on the heart surgery, but someone else may want it, so why not let them have it? A panel of new age freaks is not going to get the job done.
        When I was confronted with the possibility of cancer treatment, I said: “Hell no.” But someone else may want it. And all medical care should be the call of the patient and not anyone else.
        But people have gotten to the point that if a government official wanted to rape their children, they would probably think its OK if the government is doing it. Government has no business trying to operate the medical system.
        I pray every day for my good health and that I stay out of hospitals.
        Government official=asshole.

    • Stop scaring seniors? Why don’t you tell that to The Agenda Project that had Ryan throwing grandma in a wheelchair off a cliff. Hypocrites you libs are.

  12. Ckelly, scroll up and read my first hand account. It is not a folk tale or a forwarded email; it is our first hand experience. I also know first hand that much of “ACA” is already in the works. My daughter works as a liaison between employers and their insurers, and the very day, no, the very minute ACA passed, HHS was on the phone with them, on a daily (more like hourly) basis, changing, rewriting, changing again, rewriting again, driving everyone crazy, with no discernible plan in mind, in typical governmental fashion. They were push, push, pushed to sign people up for ACA, go, go, go, but NOBODY WANTED IT BECAUSE IT COST MORE THAN EVER. And in the past year, I’ve heard four new announcements from HHS: it’s bad for you to get yearly dental X-rays; it’s bad for you to get mammograms more than once every three years; it’s bad for you to get regular colonoscopies; and it’s now bad for men to get their PSA number tested every year. OK you may not want to call them death panels. Call them Josie and the Pussycats for all I care. But don’t imply that people who pay attention and notice things are idiots.


  14. Moxielouise, much of that actually predates President Obama by a good number of years. Insurance companies have REQUIRED doctor’s reviews of ALL repeat surgery, with a group decision as to whether it should be done or not for quite some time. Take it up with insurance companies and those they refuse to allow us to hear about who actually make those decisions, the heads of their actuary departments, and the lawyers who make a decision on how likely they are to be sued over a negative decision.

  15. Are you serious Chester?

  16. I would like to say that i hate the bastard and everything that he stands for, but the letters are a lie, please everyone don’t post these things unless you check them out because it really makes us that know what he is really doing look bad and just gives them fuel to make us look like idiots…….Check it out here …..

    • While the Tennessee quote may be wrong, the fact the hospital spokesman says “increase in access” because of this law makes me suspicious. Read Doc’s Wife comment. Her husband is a doctor and she knows firsthand the train wreck this bill is.
      And doesn’t matter what we post…libs will always call us idiots, racists, intolerant, etc.

    • I can personally vouch for the letter from Arizona. The woman who wrote it is a good friend of mine. She was there with her husband throughout the ordeal. She is not a liar!

  17. Snopes is owned by Michael Moore. He created SNOPES for the disemination of disinformation. SNOPES is for idiots.

  18. Snopes is owned by George Soros, but the point is the same. It will lie about anything you ask about Obama and company

  19. Russell Thomas

    From the land of the dreadful “socialised medicine”and Sarah Palin’s “death panels” aka the UK. Aged almost 80 and I am being treated for lymphoma diagnosed recently and quickly with no threat of have the treatment denied or cancelled. i pay my taxes and get treatment.
    Really sorry for the inhumane way your correspondents have been treated
    Russell. Ancient Brit


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