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Obama warns 2020 democrat candidates about leaning too far left

Too late.

From Yahoo: Former President Barack Obama offered an unusual warning to the Democratic primary field Friday evening, cautioning the candidates not to move too far to the left in their policy proposals, even as he sought to reassure a party establishment worried about the electoral strength of their historically large primary field.

Speaking before a room of wealthy liberal donors, Obama urged Democrats to remember the long, combative slog of his primary campaign against Hillary Clinton in 2008, arguing that the 16-month battle ultimately made him a stronger general election candidate.

“For those who get stressed about robust primaries, I just have to remind you I had a very robust primary,” he told the group of several hundred donors and organizational leaders in Washington. “I’m confident that at the end of the process we will have a candidate that has been tested.”

Yet, he also raised concerns about some of the liberal ideas being promoted by some candidates, citing health care and immigration as issues where the proposals may have gone further than public opinion.

While Obama did not single out any specific primary candidate or policy proposal, he cautioned that the universe of voters that could support a Democratic candidate — Democrats, independents and moderate Republicans — are not driven by the same views reflected on “certain left-leaning Twitter feeds” or “the activist wing of our party.”

“Even as we push the envelope and we are bold in our vision, we also have to be rooted in reality,” Obama said. “The average American doesn’t think we have to completely tear down the system and remake it.”

Read the whole story here.

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Foreign influence in our elections via Reddit on

It’s no secret that our elections in the United States are constantly under attack.  Illegal election influence comes in many forms. It could be anything from”hit piece advertising”, campaign finance violations, voter manipulation, foreign influence, hacking electronic voting machines  to basic ballot stuffing.   It’s common knowledge that governments outside the U.S. A. have made found ways to influence our elections.    It’s hard to say who meddles the most.  It’s not always the so called “enemy”.    If I had to make a list, China would be in the top five.  Add Mexico and the other four of  Five Eyes which are  Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom.  Cannot forget  Israel, Saudi Arabia, France, Germany, Japan, Pakistan, Turkey, etc.  By the way, Yes, our closest allies are just as guilty as the rest.

Russia….still…?

Currently Russia is still being made out like it’s the only country that has tried to influence our elections.   Leading the pack of accusers are the Mainstream Media(MSM)  and the democrats  with their never ending  “spin” on Russia as being the biggest threat to our elections.  Although Russia is a concern, when it comes to the integrity and security of our elections, their focus should be here in the U.S.A..  Americans are the biggest threat to our elections.  What Americans?  The Fascist Left. (*The Fascist Left democrats)

While all the attention is on Russia, Ukraine and unconstitutional impeachment inquiries, etc, the Fascist left may be quietly  creating an environment that helps them cheat in 2020.   That’s a polite way of saying “rigging the election”.  Sometimes I call it “election warming”.  There are many ways to rig an election. An example would be making sure a specific voting machine is used.(tampered or hacked)  Another example  could be sneaking something through legislation that would give their party an “extra” advantage in the next election.   That’s how the democrats gained  control in California.  They rigged the elections. Now they have the super majority in California.  Now the state is being run into the ground.

When I look at how the democrats are running the state I am reminded of 4 junkies trying to hustle cash to cover their drug debt.  I can see them  running a con job with 1 of their cars.

They drive into the path of a moving car and cry whiplash after the car hits them.  The governor is the neck brace wearing idiot in court that was injured.  The secretary of state was driving the car the idiot was in.  The state legislators are the witnesses.  The state AG is the slimy lawyer for the neck brace wearing idiot.  The U.S.A. taxpayers are  the driver of the moving car they drove in front of.(the “mark”)

One thing that I should point out is that democrats often look and act  insane.  That doesn’t mean they’re stupid.   Just remember what happens when the democrats gain control of anything.  If the opportunity arises, they will  change rules and/or laws. They will do  anything  and everything that may  help them  can keep control.  Many of these changes are unethical and some illegal.  Unfortunately, more often than less they go unchallenged.

The Fascist Left also  have Social Media working for them.  We witnessed this on Twitter.  The segregation of Trump supporters wasn’t working good enough to stop the Trump train so Twitter made the decision to stop political advertising .  This will be their excuse to remove other Trump support content on Twitter.   I’ll be surprised if Facebook doesn’t do the same.  Both  share the same “anti-Trump, anti-Right agenda.”  Both being “all they can be” as faithful minions of the Fascist Left.

There is another large social media platform that shares the same ideology as the Fascist Left. I consider them as being one of the main gateways/ hubs to the virtual land of opportunity for anyone who wants to influence our elections. Legally influence or illegally influence, either way, the opportunity is there. I’m talking about Reddit.

Reddit is a online forum/social media platform.  Here are some Reddit facts.

  • In 2018 it ranked 3rd most visited in the U.S.A..
  • In June 2019 Reddit clocked in as the 7th most visited in the world.
  • It has 330 million monthly active users( currently Twitter declined to 269.6 million monthly active users).
  • In 2017 Reddit reported that 54% of it’s users are in the U.S.A..  Basically, Reddit has a ton of traffic.
  • Reddit discriminates against Trump supporters, conservatives or anyone else on the “Right”.  Reddit is aligned with the Fascist left.
  • Because I believe Reddit is breaking various election laws, which would include allowing/aiding a foreign entity to illegally influence our elections.  I consider Reddit to be the armpit of the internet.

Reddit discrimination

I mentioned that Reddit discriminates against Trump Supporters.  We learned this after Reddit unfairly banned all the Qanon subs.  We learned  this when Reddit unfairly Quarantined President Trumps number one online forum/social media/Trump supporter site,  r/The_Donald.  *  Both punished and accused of promoting violence while letting subreddits that do far worse on a daily basis. remain.  Subreddit  r/darkjokes  is a good example..  Racism leads to violence.  Racism occurs daily in darkjokes.  Too racist for me to feel comfortable posting a screenshot.  You can just click on the name

 Reddit is aligned with the fascist left   

I did query(2016 to present date) on people employed by Reddit.  I wanted to see what party they made campaign donations to.  I got 714 hits. Some made multiple donations so their names came up more than once.  Four or five hits were removed because their business had the same name  as Reddit.  No relation.  The end result was that every Reddit employee that was in the 714 hits had all made donations to the democrats.  Zero had made any donations to the republican party.    That’s enough to convince me Reddit is part of the Fascist Left

Reddit Administrators control every subreddit

Reddit employs people to be Administrators(admins).  Each subreddit is ran by moderators(mods).  Mods police their subreddit  and  try remove any content that might be a violation of Reddit’s rules.  Mods are just volunteers.   They are not paid.  Some of Reddit admins exploit and extort the mods.

  • Each  admin has a group of subs they are expected to monitor.  This is what they are paid to do..
  • They have complete control of each subreddit they monitor and have final say on everything.
  • Technically, they are responsible  for all content in their subs..  This includes every upload made by users, every decision made or not made by mods.
  •  Admins are able to ban subreddits, quarantine subreddits,  issue temporary account suspensions  or issue permanent accounts suspensions.
  • Every subreddit has a admin assigned to it.

Registration of certain organizations

Reddit received $300 million from Tencent holdings.  Tencent has many ties  to the Chinese government.   One very obvious one is the the Independent Non-Executive Director of Tencent, Siu Shun Yang.  Yang is a Member of the 12th National Committee of the Chinese People’s Political Consultative Conference(CPPCC) The CPPCC is an organization in the patriotic united front of the Chinese people, an important organ for multiparty cooperation and political consultation under the leadership of the Communist Party of China (CPC), and an important means of promoting socialist democracy in China’s political activities.

Here are additional links that provide more information about Tencent and China’s relationship.

Because of Tencent’s connection to the Chinese government and it’s huge investment in Reddit.  Reddit is “subject to foreign control”  Reddit should have registered with the Attorney General.  This is defined in U.S. Code   Title 18. CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE   Part I. CRIMES Chapter 115. TREASON, SEDITION, AND SUBVERSIVE ACTIVITIES  Section 2386.   Registration of certain organizations.

I’ve provide a copy of Section 2386 below.

U.S. Code § 2386.Registration of certain organizations

Attorney General” means the Attorney General of the United States;

Organization” means any group, club, league, society, committee, association, political party, or combination of individuals, whether incorporated or otherwise, but such term shall not include any corporation, association, community chest, fund, or foundation, organized and operated exclusively for religious, charitable, scientific, literary, or educational purposes;

Political activity” means any activity the purpose or aim of which, or one of the purposes or aims of which, is the control by force or overthrow of the Government of the United States or a political subdivision thereof, or any State or political subdivision thereof;

An organization is engaged in “civilian military activity” if:

(1) it gives instruction to, or prescribes instruction for, its members in the use of firearms or other weapons or any substitute therefor, or military or naval science; or

(2) it receives from any other organization or from any individual instruction in military or naval science; or

(3) it engages in any military or naval maneuvers or activities; or

(4) it engages, either with or without arms, in drills or parades of a military or naval character; or

(5) it engages in any other form of organized activity which in the opinion of the Attorney General constitutes preparation for military action;

An organization is “subject to foreign control” if:

(a) it solicits or accepts financial contributions, loans, or support of any kind, directly or indirectly, from, or is affiliated directly or indirectly with, a foreign government or a political subdivision thereof, or an agent, agency, or instrumentality of a foreign government or political subdivision thereof, or a political party in a foreign country, or an international political organization; or

(b) its policies, or any of them, are determined by or at the suggestion of, or in collaboration with, a foreign government or political subdivision thereof, or an agent, agency, or instrumentality of a foreign government or a political subdivision thereof, or a political party in a foreign country, or an international political organization.

(B)(1) The following organizations shall be required to register with the Attorney General:

Every organization subject to foreign control which engages in political activity;

Every organization which engages both in civilian military activity and in political activity;

Every organization subject to foreign control which engages in civilian military activity; and

Every organization, the purpose or aim of which, or one of the purposes or aims of which, is the establishment, control, conduct, seizure, or overthrow of a government or subdivision thereof by the use of force, violence, military measures, or threats of any one or more of the foregoing.

Every such organization shall register by filing with the Attorney General, on such forms and in such detail as the Attorney General may by rules and regulations prescribe, a registration statement containing the information and documents prescribed in subsection (B)(3) and shall within thirty days after the expiration of each period of six months succeeding the filing of such registration statement, file with the Attorney General, on such forms and in such detail as the Attorney General may by rules and regulations prescribe, a supplemental statement containing such information and documents as may be necessary to make the information and documents previously filed under this section accurate and current with respect to such preceding six months’ period. Every statement required to be filed by this section shall be subscribed, under oath, by all of the officers of the organization.

(2) This section shall not require registration or the filing of any statement with the Attorney General by:

(a) The armed forces of the United States; or

(b) The organized militia or National Guard of any State, Territory, District, or possession of the United States; or

(c) Any law-enforcement agency of the United States or of any Territory, District or possession thereof, or of any State or political subdivision of a State, or of any agency or instrumentality of one or more States; or

(d) Any duly established diplomatic mission or consular office of a foreign government which is so recognized by the Department of State; or

(e) Any nationally recognized organization of persons who are veterans of the armed forces of the United States, or affiliates of such organizations.

(3) Every registration statement required to be filed by any organization shall contain the following information and documents:

(a) The name and post-office address of the organization in the United States, and the names and addresses of all branches, chapters, and affiliates of such organization;

(b) The name, address, and nationality of each officer, and of each person who performs the functions of an officer, of the organization, and of each branch, chapter, and affiliate of the organization;

(c) The qualifications for membership in the organization;

(d) The existing and proposed aims and purposes of the organization, and all the means by which these aims or purposes are being attained or are to be attained;

(e) The address or addresses of meeting places of the organization, and of each branch, chapter, or affiliate of the organization, and the times of meetings;

(f) The name and address of each person who has contributed any money, dues, property, or other thing of value to the organization or to any branch, chapter, or affiliate of the organization;

(g) A detailed statement of the assets of the organization, and of each branch, chapter, and affiliate of the organization, the manner in which such assets were acquired, and a detailed statement of the liabilities and income of the organization and of each branch, chapter, and affiliate of the organization;

(h) A detailed description of the activities of the organization, and of each chapter, branch, and affiliate of the organization;

(i) A description of the uniforms, badges, insignia, or other means of identification prescribed by the organization, and worn or carried by its officers or members, or any of such officers or members;

(j) A copy of each book, pamphlet, leaflet, or other publication or item of written, printed, or graphic matter issued or distributed directly or indirectly by the organization, or by any chapter, branch, or affiliate of the organization, or by any of the members of the organization under its authority or within its knowledge, together with the name of its author or authors and the name and address of the publisher;

(k) A description of all firearms or other weapons owned by the organization, or by any chapter, branch, or affiliate of the organization, identified by the manufacturer’s number thereon;

(l) In case the organization is subject to foreign control, the manner in which it is so subject;

(m) A copy of the charter, articles of association, constitution, bylaws, rules, regulations, agreements, resolutions, and all other instruments relating to the organization, powers, and purposes of the organization and to the powers of the officers of the organization and of each chapter, branch, and affiliate of the organization; and

(n) Such other information and documents pertinent to the purposes of this section as the Attorney General may from time to time require.

All statements filed under this section shall be public records and open to public examination and inspection at all reasonable hours under such rules and regulations as the Attorney General may prescribe.

(C) The Attorney General is authorized at any time to make, amend, and rescind such rules and regulations as may be necessary to carry out this section, including rules and regulations governing the statements required to be filed.

(D) Whoever violates any of the provisions of this section shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

Whoever in a statement filed pursuant to this section willfully makes any false statement or willfully omits to state any fact which is required to be stated, or which is necessary to make the statements made not misleading, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(I), (L), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

Reddit’s election related crimes

Now that’s it’s understood that Tencent is a co-owner of Reddit and  that Reddit  subject to foreign control.  It should also be noted that  the change in Reddit’s ownership status from being a domestically owned company to a foreign and domestically owned company also places more restrictions on  Reddit in matters involving elections in the USA.  The Federal Elections Commission regulations prohibit foreign nationals from directing, dictating, controlling, or directly or indirectly participating in the decision-making process of any person (such as a corporationlabor organizationpolitical committee, or political organization) with regard to any election-related activities. 

Reddit’s “Ask me anything”(AMA) events that host candidates participating in elections in the U.S.A. caught my attention.   Reddit may not be part of any of the candidates campaigns but,  If during election season a  candidate attends a event where they are the key speaker and discuss and answer questions that are related to their campaign.  it would be considered a “campaign event”.   Every AMA that occurred  and featured a candidate that is actively running for office after Reddit accepted Tencent Holdings $300 million has been a violation of our election laws.

Foreign national as campaign volunteer

Although he or she may not make contributions or expenditures (including advances of personal funds), an individual who is a foreign national may participate in campaign activities as an uncompensated volunteer. In doing so, the volunteer must be careful not to participate in the decision-making process of the campaign. The Federal Election Campaign Act (the Act) and Commission regulations specifically prohibit foreign nationals from participating in the decisions of any person involving election-related activity. For example, a foreign national volunteer may attend committee events and campaign strategy meetings, but may not be involved in the management of the committee.

Definition

The following groups and individuals are considered “foreign nationals” and are subject to the prohibition:

  • Foreign citizens (not including dual citizens of the United States);
  • Immigrants who are not lawfully admitted for permanent residence;
  • Foreign governments;
  • Foreign political parties;
  • Foreign corporations;
  • Foreign associations;
  • Foreign partnerships; and
  • Any other foreign principal, as defined at 22 U.S.C. § 611(b), which includes a foreign organization or “other combination of persons organized under the laws of or having its principal place of business in a foreign country.

How did Reddit violate election laws? Reddit falls under  “foreign national”.  The following would fall under  prohibited behavior by foreign nationals  related to campaign funding and campaign events.

Reddit and it’s admin’s have full control the AMA’s.  They control all context of the event.  They decide what comments, submissions or questions that are acceptable.  They have their rules people have to abide by.  They have the ability to remove anything they want. 

What should Reddit have done different?

 It’s one thing to host an event.  It’s a different thing when they administer and moderate the event.  That’s their crime, administrating and moderating the events.  What they should have done was host the event and let the speaker and campaign administer and moderate the details, comments, questions and rules.

Having foreign investors really isn’t what changes things for Reddit.   It’s the amount in dollars that changes things.  You don’t receive a 300 million dollars and tell the investor  “now go away, we got this”.  The investor is going to want to part of how that money is spent.

Reddit has committed election crimes and will continue breaking the law until the Federal Election Commission(FEC) steps in and shuts them down.

Reddit is a propaganda generating, fascist left website.   It is perhaps the most hateful, bigoted, racist website on the internet.  This is not because of it’s users.  Most of the negativity, hate, election crime activity comes from Reddit admins.  They are the promoters and pushers.  Reddit needs quit being so political.  They have double standards when it comes to enforcing their rules.  Often users receive a harsher punishment for rule violations if they are conservatives.  Punishment decisions  based on persons political preference  is ……lame.

If they continue  this behavior It’s entirely possible that they will do one or all of the following: implode, lose every penny in lawsuits or end up in prison.  What more can you expect from the armpit of the internet.

Final thoughts

*Foreign nationals, companies, governments have been influencing our elections for years.  The path they take is by making large investments in American companies, like Reddit.   Also, they may buy or open a subsidiary  company based in the U.S.A.. There’s more they have to do.   These are 2 examples  This is where more focus should directed when looking for foreign influence….Investment  Election  Influence. DP

*I would also spend some time looking at politicians and upper level government employees with duel citizenship. DP.

*Reddit is jam packed with shady behavior.  Definitely needs some  attention from some  badge packing 3 letter agency of the United States government.

With all that being said.  I have to explain to myself why I still visit Reddit, almost daily, during the slow times of the year.

*Foreign influence in our elections unfortunate reality.  So much so that a person can spend a lifetime writing about it.  It’s almost to the point to where it is easier to find than not finding it.  I barely scratched the surface of the problem.  I mention a couple  a couple of key points.  Fact checked but included a couple person comments that are obvious.  Please share your thoughts in  the comments. “

Respectfully, Deplorable Patriot

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Colorado governor signs law that gives state’s electoral votes to national popular vote winner

Over two years later, butt hurt from Hillary’s loss still alive and well.

From MSN (via CNN): Colorado could be part of voting history next general election day, joining 11 other states looking to ensure that their electoral college votes echo the will of the American majority to elect the next president.

Gov. Jared Polis (demorat) signed a law Friday that would allot the state’s electoral college votes to whichever candidate won the national popular vote. The Washington Post previously reported the law’s signing.

The trend comes as Americans have shown greater support in recent years for a more democratic presidential election process, without the translational risks of the electoral college. But the daunting requirement of changing the Constitution, where the electoral college is formally codified, has posed a challenge to both public and political support for the issue.

The state’s legislation would only take effect if enough other states sign on to secure the cumulative 270 electors needed to elect a president, and Colorado’s votes raise the current total to 181 electors. Most states have winner-take-all laws in place dictating that their electors go towards whichever candidate takes the state’s popular majority, while Maine and Nebraska opt to proportionally split their electors based on the vote.

The eleven other states that have signed on — California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, Vermont and Washington state — as well as the District of Columbia and now Colorado, make up the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact. New Mexico, which has five electoral votes, sent a bill to the governor’s desk to elect the president by popular vote and may soon join the group as well.

And the electoral college had been contentious not long ago. In 2016, President Donald Trump won the presidential vote with 306 electoral votes to Hillary Clinton’s 232 votes. But Clinton won the popular vote, garnering 48.5% of the vote to Trump’s 46.4%.

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Monday Funnies!

. . . and political truth memes.

How to flunk an IQ test

H/t Auntie Lulu

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Trump officially voted President!

A few minutes ago, the Electoral College votes for Donald Trump went over the 270 needed to a total of 304 (vs. 224 for Hillary)!
Donald Trump is officially elected the 45th President of the United States of America.
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Despite all the death threats and harassing/intimidating phone calls and emails directed at Republican Electors (Pennsylvanian Electors even had police protection and escort); despite the unprecedented video of idiotic Hollyweirdos, led by Martin Sheen, asking Electors not to vote for Trump; despite murmurs of bribes, the Electors stood firm and voted in accordance with how the residents of their respective states had voted.
Thank you, Electors!
Not a single GOP Elector buckled under the pressure and voted for Hillary, although one voted for Ron Paul (who is not on the ballot), and another for John Kasich. Both are Texas electors.
7 Democrat Electors went rogue by not casting their votes for Hillary as they were supposed to:

  • In Colorado, a Democrat elector tried to vote for John Kasich and was replaced by an alternate elector, who voted for Hillary because state law requires electors to vote for the winner of the state’s popular vote. (NPR)
  • In Maine, a Democratic elector voted for Bernie Sanders instead of Clinton. He was ruled “out of order,” and he voted for Clinton in a second vote.
  • In Minnesota, Muhammad Abdurrahman, a former Bernie Sanders delegate to the Democratic National Convention, attempted to vote for no candidate. His vote was declared invalid and an alternate elector was appointed, enabling the state to go ahead and deliver its 10 electoral votes for Hillary Clinton. (The Hill)
  • In Washington, while 8 of the state’s 12 electors voted for Clinton, 4 electors went rogue, 2 of whom voted for Colin Powell, and 2 for Faith Spotted Eagle — a Native American who has been active in the Dakota pipeline protests. (ZeroHedge)

We can expect more shenanigans from Democrats in the month until inauguration. But their bag of tricks is rapidly depleting, and We The People will expose and call them on their chicanery every step of the way.
Hillary Clinton, a truly evil woman, will never be POTUS!
The countdown begins! Let’s Make America Great Again!
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Electoral College vote – Open Thread

270 Electoral College votes are needed to win.
Some time before 6 pm ET, the tally was 304 Trump vs. 224 Clinton.
(Live vote tally here)

Donald Trump is officially the next POTUS!

So far, all of the electors in states who should vote for Trump, did so.
Electors who went rogue are Democrats:

  • In Minnesota, Muhammad Abdurrahman, a former Bernie Sanders delegate to the Democratic National Convention, attempted to vote for no candidate. His vote was declared invalid and an alternate elector was appointed, enabling the state to go ahead and deliver its 10 electoral votes for Hillary Clinton. (The Hill)
  • In Washington, while 8 of the state’s 12 electors voted for Clinton, 4 electors went rogue, 2 of whom voted for Colin Powell, and 2 for Faith Spotted Eagle — a Native American who has been active in the Dakota pipeline protests. (ZeroHedge)

H/t FOTM‘s MomOfIV
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Electoral College meets today: Meeting times & places of GOP Electors

Today, December 19, 2016, America’s Electoral College voters are scheduled to meet in their respective states to cast their votes for President of the United States of America.
Although the Electors are supposed to vote in accordance with the voters of their state, which means if their state voted for Donald Trump, the Electors should also cast their votes for Trump, at least one Republican Elector in Texas has made quite a name for himself by declaring he instead would vote for Hillary Clinton. See “Sole Republican elector who plans to vote against Trump is a 9/11 faker?“.
So it’s a good idea for citizens to keep an eye on what their Electors do by attending their meetings, which are open to the public.
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Here’s a list of GOP electors’ meeting places and times:

Alabama: 12:00 P.M. EST; Alabama State Capitol — Office of the Secretary of State, 600 Dexter Ave., Montgomery, AL 36130
Alaska: 11:00 A.M. AKST; State of Alaska — Library Archives Museum, 395 Whittier Street, Juneau, AK 99801

Arizona: 10:00 A.M. MST; Governor’s Conference Room (second floor), Arizona State Capitol Building, 1700 W. Washington St., Phoenix, AZ 85007

Arkansas: 10:00 A.M. CST; Arkansas State Capitol — Old Supreme Court Room, 500 Woodlane St., Little Rock, AR 72201

Florida: 2:00 P.M. EST; Florida State Capitol — Florida Senate Chamber, 400 S. Monroe St., Tallahassee, FL 39399

Georgia: 12:00 P.M. EST; Georgia State Capitol (exact location unknown), 206 Washington St. SW, Atlanta, GA 30334

Idaho: 12:00 P.M. MST, Idaho State Capitol (exact location unknown), 700 W. Jefferson St., Boise, ID 83702

Indiana: 10:00 A.M. EST; Indiana State Capitol — State House of Representatives Chamber, 200 W. Washington St., Indianapolis, IN 46204

Iowa: No time specified ; Iowa State Capitol (exact location unknown), 1007 E. Grand Ave., Des Moines, IA 50319

Kansas: Somewhere in Topeka at 12:00 P.M. CST (Exact location not specified, nor is it even clear that the meeting would have to take place in the Capitol Building)

Kentucky: 11:30 A.M. CST; Kentucky State Capitol — Supreme Court Room (Room 235), 700 Capitol Avenue, Frankfort, KY 40601

Louisiana: 11:30 A.M. CST; Louisiana State Capitol — Senate Chamber, 900 N. 3rd St., Baton Rouge, LA 70802

Maine**: 2:00 P.M. EST; Maine State House — House Chamber, 100 State House Station, Augusta, ME 04333 (**Trump won 1 of Maine’s 4 electoral votes)

Michigan: 2:00 P.M. EST; Michigan State Capitol — Senate Chamber, 101 N. Capitol Ave., Lansing, MI 48933

Mississippi: 10:00 A.M. EST; Mississippi State Capitol — Room 114, 400 High St., Jackson, MS 39201

Missouri: State law exceedingly unclear, no announcement yet from Secretary of State: https://law.justia.com/codes/missouri/2013/title-ix/chapter-128/

Montana: Montana seems to have recently repealed all laws governing where/when electors must meet: https://leg.mt.gov/bills/mca_toc/13_25_1.htm

Nebraska: No time specified: https://nebraskalegislature.gov/laws/statutes.php?statute=32-714  Note: a 2014 law guarantees that all Nebraska electoral votes will be cast for Trump

North Carolina: NC Secretary of State identifies the meeting place as such: “Old Hall of the House of Representatives in the State Capitol in Raleigh at noon”

North Dakota: 1:00 P.M. CST; North Dakota State Capitol — Governor’s Office, 600 E. Boulevard Ave., Bismarck, ND 58505

Ohio: 12:00 P.M. EST; The Ohio Statehouse, 1 Capitol Square, Columbus, OH 43215.

Oklahoma: 10:00 A.M. CST; Governor’s Office (NOT the legislative chamber!), Oklahoma State Capitol, 2300 N. Lincoln Blvd., Room 212, Oklahoma City, OK 73105

Pennsylvania: 12:00 P.M. EST; Pennsylvania State Capitol — Chamber of the House of Representatives, 501 N. 3rd St., Harrisburg, PA 17120.

South Carolina: 11:00 AM EST (Or as SC statute puts it, “eleven in the forenoon”); Office of the Secretary of State (NOT the South Carolina State House), Edgar Brown Building, 1205 Pendleton St., Suite 525, Columbia, SC 29201

South Dakota: 12:00 P.M. CST, South Dakota State Capitol (exact location unknown), 500 E. Capitol Ave., Pierre, SD 57601

Tennessee: No time or exact location specified: https://law.justia.com/codes/tennessee/2010/title-2/chapter-15/2-15-104

Texas: 2:00 P.M. CST; Texas State Capitol — (Exact location not yet known, Secretary of State must announce), 1100 Congress Ave., Austin, TX 78701

Utah: Unclear: looks as though the Lieutenant Governor is in charge for some reason

West Virginia: NO TIME SPECIFIED; Office of the Governor, West Virginia State Capitol, 1900 Kanawha Boulevard, East, Charleston, WV 25305

Wisconsin: 12:00 P.M. CST; Wisconsin State Capitol — Room 412E, 2 E. Main Street, Madison, WI 53703

Wyoming: 12:00 P.M. MST; Office of the Secretary of State (NOT the State Capitol Building), 2020 Carey Avenue, Suite 600, Cheyenne, WY 82002

H/t Michael Tracey of Medium

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About That Underwater Drone Story

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Tell me if you see a pattern emerging.

The drone story is showing some slippery characteristics

NBC:
The incident follows a series of tense exchanges with China, including that nation’s sharp rebuke of president-elect Donald Trump’s phone call with Taiwan’s president in a departure from decades-long policy toward the island prefecture. – Read more
New York Times:
The incident complicates already testy relations between China and the United States, ties that have been further frayed by President-elect Donald J. Trump’s phone call with the president of Taiwan. Mr. Trump angered Chinese officials by holding a phone conversation with President Tsai Ing-wen of Taiwan, an island that Beijing deems a breakaway province of China. – Read more
USNews:
[READ: The Terrifying Military Weapons at Donald Trump’s Disposal]Some experts believe the move may have been in retaliation for President-elect Donald Trump’s phone call with the president of Taiwan, a breach of 40-years of protocol in how the U.S. manages its delicate diplomatic relationship with the economic powerhouse and its smaller island neighbor. – Read more
CNN:
The incident has emerged as the latest thorn between China and the US, where President-elect Donald Trump has shown himself increasingly willing to confront and challenge Beijing. – Read more

Okay, here’s my take on the drone thing

Embedded a few paragraphs into each report is the comment questioning the safety of an America that has such a dangerous leader as the reckless Donald Trump. This is on the day of the last ditch effort to sway the votes of electors. It also begins years of hand wringing fear talk about the nut in the white house. If you are old enough to have voted for Ronald Reagan, you will recognize the strategy.
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Donald’s response: “China can keep the drone.”
This president knows how to beat the media at their own game. After all the saber rattling, we read that the drone is about as classified as a weather balloon.



 
 

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Sole Republican elector who plans to vote against Trump is a 9/11 faker?

Chris Suprun

Chris Suprun


From Daily Mail: The Republican elector from Texas who refuses to cast his vote for Donald Trump at the Electoral College wrongly claimed to be a first responder during the September 11 attacks.
Chris Suprun, a Texas elector, said he was one of the first on scene after a third plane flew into the Pentagon on 9/11. But in fact he was not employed as a firefighter at the Virginia department he often credits until a month after the attacks, according to an investigation by WFAA. The fire department did not even attend the Pentagon on 9/11.
Suprun portrayed himself as a heroic firefighter in a widely-shared editorial this month for The New York Times, in which he declared he would not be voting for Trump, calling him unqualified, unfit and ‘dismissive’ of his own conflicts of interest.
The 42-year-old, from Dallas, is the sole Republican to publicly announce his ballot would not be cast for the president-elect. He also co-signed a letter with nine Democratic electors which has been widely described as ‘bipartisan’ calling for briefings before the college voted from intelligence agencies on claims Russia hacked Hillary Clinton’s emails in an attempt to tip the election in Trump’s favor.
Suprun is just one of 38 electors in the Lone Star state, where Trump won by more than nine points.
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The faithless elector detailed his criticism of Trump in the Times, writing: ‘Fifteen years ago, as a firefighter, I was part of the response to the Sept. 11 attacks against our nation. That attack and this year’s election may seem unrelated, but for me the relationship becomes clearer every day.’
Suprun claimed to be a first responder with the Manassas Park, Virginia, fire department and has made at least two appearances at Major League Baseball games where he was introduced as a 9/11 veteran and threw out the first pitch. He also claims to have founded the nonprofit Never Forget, and says he is a licensed paramedic.
But a first responder who knows Suprun told WFAA a different story.
The responder, who spoke under anonymity, said: ‘He claimed to be a first responder with the Manassas Park [Virginia] Fire Department on September 11, 2001 and personally told us stories “I was fighting fire that day at the Pentagon”.
‘No, I was on a medic unit that day at the Pentagon and you make a phone call to Manassas Park and you find out that he wasn’t even employed there until October 2001.’ The City of Manassas Park confirmed that Suprun was hired on October 10, 2001, a month after the September 11 attacks.
The city’s fire chief told WFAA that the department never even responded to the Pentagon or other 9/11 sites.
‘It’s no different than stolen valor for the military; dressing up and saying “Hey, I earned a Purple Heart” when you weren’t even in combat,’ the first responder told WFAA. ‘There’s a big difference between shopping at Old Navy and being a Navy SEAL.’
In his editorial, Suprun credits former President George W Bush for leading the nation through 9/11 in his New York Times op-ed. ‘George W. Bush is an imperfect man, but he led us through the tragic days following the attacks,’ he writes. ‘His leadership showed that America was a great nation.
‘That was also the last time I remember the nation united. I watch Mr. Trump fail to unite America and drive a wedge between us. Mr. Trump goes out of his way to attack the cast of ‘Saturday Night Live’ for bias. He tweets day and night, but waited two days to offer sympathy to the Ohio State community after an attack there. He does not encourage civil discourse, but chooses to stoke fear and create outrage.”
‘This is unacceptable. For me, America is that shining city on a hill that Ronald Reagan envisioned. It has problems. It has challenges. These can be met and overcome just as our nation overcame Sept. 11.’
Read the rest of the story here.
Suprun has responded to the above story:
That story exhibits a reckless disregard for the truth,” Suprun wrote on Reddit of the WFAA piece. Noting that he had never claimed to be a first responder with Manassas Park, Suprun said at the time of the attacks he was a volunteer firefighter for the “Dale City Fire Dept.” and was later hired by Manassas Park. “We’ve corrected the record with the journalist who wrote that story, and if he has any integrity, he’ll reveal his anonymous sources and let everyone have open debate,” he wrote. “I know where I was on that tragic day.” Even if the debate takes place, the allegation that Suprun was less than truthful raises questions about how electors are chosen.
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Former UK ambassador: Democrat whistleblowers leaked emails, not Russia

The “Russia intervened in 2016 election to favor Trump” conspiracy theory is the Democrats’ last-ditch effort to subvert the election by convincing the Electoral College to vote for Hillary next Monday. There’s even talk of redoing the presidential election itself.
Thus far, all we’ve heard and read is hearsay — by the Washington Post, by Obama, by this or that senator or congressman — that there is a secret CIA report on Russia’s nefarious role in the election in:

  1. Hacking the emails of the Democratic National Committee (DNC), Hillary Clinton, and her close associate, the very creepy John Podesta.
  2. Giving the hacked emails to unnamed “agents” who then supplied the emails to WikiLeaks to publish.

What the American people have not seen is the actual CIA report.
Stranger still is the fact that although several congressional committees are looking into the suspected Russian interference, U.S. intelligence agencies, including the CIA, refused a request to brief the House intelligence committee last Thursday (Dec. 15) on the cyber-attacks.
The legal dictionary defineshearsay” as “A statement made out of court that is offered in court as evidence to prove the truth of the matter asserted.” The dictionary further explains that:

the Hearsay Rule, as outlined in the Federal Rules of Evidence, prohibits most statements made outside a courtroom from being used as evidence in court. This is because statements made out of court normally are not made under oath, a judge or jury cannot personally observe the demeanor of someone who makes a statement outside the courtroom, and an opposing party cannot cross-examine such a declarant (the person making the statement). Out-of-court statements hinder the ability of the judge or jury to probe testimony for inaccuracies caused by ambiguity, insincerity, faulty perception, or erroneous memory. Thus, statements made out of court are perceived as untrustworthy.”

And yet we are to accept that on the basis of hearsay about some secret CIA report, which no court would consider as evidence, the Electoral College should overturn the results of the 2016 election by voting for Hillary Clinton as president, despite Donald Trump having attained a majority of Electoral votes of 306 vs. Hillary’s 232.
But we do have a first-person testimony that is not hearsay — from former British ambassador Craig Murray, who claims he had received Hillary Clinton campaign emails, not from Russia, but from “disgusted” Democrat whistleblowers.
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Alana Goodman reports for the Daily Mail that in an interview with Dailymail.com on Dec. 13, 2016, Craig Murray, who is a close associate of Wikileaks founder Julian Assange, said he had flown to Washington, D.C. in September 2016 for a clandestine hand-off with one of the email sources. Murray retrieved the package during a clandestine meeting in a wooded area near American University, in northwest D.C. The individual he met with was not the original person who obtained the information, but an intermediary.
Murray said:

“Neither of [the email leaks] came from the Russians. The source had legal access to the information. The documents came from [Democrat Party] inside leaks, not hacks.”

Murray said the leakers were motivated by “disgust at the corruption of the Clinton Foundation and the tilting of the primary election playing field against Bernie Sanders.” Murray declined to say where the sources worked and how they had access to the information, to shield their identities. He said that Podesta’s emails might be “of legitimate interest to the security services” in the U.S. due to his communications with Saudi Arabia lobbyists and foreign officials.
Murray said he was speaking out due to claims from CIA officials that Wikileaks was given the documents by Russian hackers as part of an effort to help Trump win the U.S. presidential election:

“I don’t understand why the CIA would say the information came from Russian hackers when they must know that isn’t true. Regardless of whether the Russians hacked into the DNC, the documents Wikileaks published did not come from that.”

Murray’s account cannot be independently verified but is in line with previous statements by Wikileaks:
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  • In August 2016, WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange intimated that DNC staffer Seth Rich was the source of the DNC emails. At about 4:19 a.m. on Sunday, July 10, 2016, 27 year-old Rich was shot and killed in the 2100 block of Flagler Place NW in Washington, DC. His murder remains unsolved to this day.
  • More recently in November in an interview with John Pilger, Assange said, “The Clinton camp has been able to project a neo-McCarthyist hysteria that Russia is responsible for everything. Hillary Clinton has stated multiple times, falsely, that 17 US intelligence agencies had assessed that Russia was the source of our publications. That’s false – we can say that the Russian government is not the source.”

Murray is a controversial figure who was removed from his post as a British ambassador amid allegations of misconduct. He was a vocal critic of human rights abuses in Uzbekistan while serving as ambassador between 2002 and 2004, a stance that pitted him against the UK Foreign Office. Murray was cleared of charges of misconduct, but left the diplomatic service in acrimony.
His links to Wikileaks are well known and while his account is likely to be seen as both unprovable and possibly biased, it is also the first intervention by Wikileaks since reports surfaced last week that the CIA believes Russia had hacked the Clinton emails to help hand the election to Donald Trump.
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