Canada Discovers Socialist Healthcare Doesn't Work

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Socialist Healthcare does NOT work.
Canada is discovering that bitter pill. But the Canadians, weaned on “democratic socialism,” are loath to give it up. So individual provinces within Canada are now improvising their own solutions — of means testing, user fees, “private funding,” arbitrary reduction of doctor salaries and drug prices. With a rapidly aging population — senior citizens will comprise 25% of Canadians by 2036 — rationing of healthcare and death panels will be next.
But Obama and Demonrats, being narcissists who are convinced of their superiority and lack the humility needed to learn from others, are determined to thrust socialist ObamaCare on America.
Repeal Obamacare!!!
H/t Fellowship co-founder Steve and my ol’ friend Sol.

Soaring costs force Canada to reassess health model

By Claire Sibonney – May 31, 2010 

TORONTO (Reuters) – Pressured by an aging population and the need to rein in budget deficits, Canada’s provinces are taking tough measures to curb healthcare costs, a trend that could erode the principles of the popular state-funded system.
Ontario, Canada’s most populous province, kicked off a fierce battle with drug companies and pharmacies when it said earlier this year it would halve generic drug prices and eliminate “incentive fees” to generic drug manufacturers. British Columbia is replacing block grants to hospitals with fee-for-procedure payments and Quebec has a new flat health tax and a proposal for payments on each medical visit — an idea that critics say is an illegal user fee. And a few provinces are also experimenting with private funding for procedures such as hip, knee and cataract surgery.
It’s likely just a start as the provinces, responsible for delivering healthcare, cope with the demands of a retiring baby-boom generation. Official figures show that senior citizens will make up 25% of the population by 2036. “There’s got to be some change to the status quo whether it happens in three years or 10 years,” said Derek Burleton, senior economist at Toronto-Dominion Bank. “We can’t continually see health spending growing above and beyond the growth rate in the economy because, at some point, it means crowding out of all the other government services. At some stage we’re going to hit a breaking point.”
In some ways the Canadian debate is the mirror image of discussions going on in the United States. Canada, fretting over budget strains, wants to prune its system, while the United States, worrying about an army of uninsured, aims to create a state-backed safety net.
Healthcare in Canada is delivered through a publicly funded system, which covers all “medically necessary” hospital and physician care and curbs the role of private medicine. It ate up about 40% of provincial budgets, or some C$183 billion ($174 billion) last year. Spending has been rising 6% a year under a deal that added C$41.3 billion of federal funding over 10 years.
But that deal ends in 2013, and the federal government is unlikely to be as generous in future, especially for one-off projects. “As Ottawa looks to repair its budget balance … one could see these one-time allocations to specific health projects might be curtailed,” said Mary Webb, senior economist at Scotia Capital.
Brian Golden, a professor at University of Toronto’s Rotman School of Business, said provinces are weighing new sources of funding, including “means-testing” and moving toward evidence-based and pay-for-performance models. “Why are we paying more or the same for cataract surgery when it costs substantially less today than it did 10 years ago? There’s going to be a finer look at what we’re paying for and, more importantly, what we’re getting for it,” he said.
Other problems include trying to control independently set salaries for top hospital executives and doctors and rein in spiraling costs for new medical technologies and drugs.
Ontario says healthcare could eat up 70% of its budget in 12 years, if all these costs are left unchecked. “Our objective is to preserve the quality healthcare system we have and indeed to enhance it. But there are difficult decisions ahead and we will continue to make them,” Ontario Finance Minister Dwight Duncan told Reuters. The province has introduced legislation that ties hospital chief executive pay with the quality of patient care and says it wants to put more physicians on salary to save money. In a report released last week, TD Bank said Ontario should consider other proposals to help cut costs, including scaling back drug coverage for affluent seniors and paying doctors according to quality and efficiency of care.
The losers could be drug companies and pharmacies, both of which are getting increasingly nervous. “Many of the advances in healthcare and life expectancy are due to the pharmaceutical industry so we should never demonize them,” said U of T’s Golden. “We need to ensure that they maintain a profitable business but our ability to make it very very profitable is constrained right now.”
Scotia Capital’s Webb said one cost-saving idea may be to make patients aware of how much it costs each time they visit a healthcare professional. “(The public) will use the services more wisely if they know how much it’s costing,” she said. “If it’s absolutely free with no information on the cost and the information of an alternative that would be have been more practical, then how can we expect the public to wisely use the service?”
But change may come slowly. Universal healthcare is central to Canada’s national identity, and decisions are made as much on politics as economics. “It’s an area that Canadians don’t want to see touched,” said TD’s Burleton. “Essentially it boils down the wishes of the population. But I think, from an economist’s standpoint, we point to the fact that sometimes Canadians in the short term may not realize the cost.”
($1=$1.05 Canadian)
(Reporting by Claire Sibonney; editing by Janet Guttsman and Peter Galloway)
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0 responses to “Canada Discovers Socialist Healthcare Doesn't Work

  1. Joseph E Fasciani

    This article must have been written by lobbyists for big pharma and the neo-kon politico movement. It blatantly ignores the single largest reason for the current crisis: the immense and deliberate cuts made by reactionary federal governments since the Mulroney era.
    Brian Mulroney –Ronald Ray-gun’s [Zap! He’s gonna getcha!] good ol’ Irish buddy– whose corruption was only exposed many years after being turned out of office, was the first to put into place the social deficit-creating policies of PM Margaret Thatcher. “All power to the corporations, piss on the people!” was their battle cry. You know, trickle down economics that have benefited you oh so ever much since then….
    Today Canada’s corporations pay the lowest taxes of any country in the world, and our military has a budget bloated beyond reason or utility. Our standing in the world has fallen dramatically, and our shameful boot-licking role in Afghanistan has bloodied us internationally. Medically the hits have been just as bad, if not worse.
    The fact is that decisions were made at the federal level to slash shared funding for medical services, and we’ve felt the devastation ever since, as the provinces simply cannot make up the violently imposed differences without damage to other parts of their social and economic structure.
    I happen to have known some of the major players in this immense scam, and let me assure you that they intended no benefit to you, only to themselves. The founder of the largest chain of private medical laboratories in BC died recently, and he was a prime example of what’s wrong with this way of management. Formerly an MD, he discovered he could get richer far faster if he got a chunk of BC’s medical lab services to pay for his two Rolls Royce limousines. I guess he needed one for each hand, eh?
    The authors very clearly imply that we would be better off if we did as the USSA [not a typo] has done, that is, to privatise as much as possible. This flies in the face of the fact that while the USSA is the most expensive medical cost-per-person in the world, it is somewhere around 34th in delivery and quality of services on the UN’s list of health care provision and efficiency. Its live birth rate is lower than African countries. This is NOT what we want, nor what you in the USSA should have to endure.
    What we have now in the USSA [and to a somewhat lesser degree in Kanada , not a typo] is socialism for the already rich, and a free struggle for survival for everyone else.
    If you continue to publish horribly slanted articles such as this you will lose readership very quickly. People are fed up with the immense federal BS, lies, and theft of their national and individual wealth. The illegal wars and crimes in IraqNam and Afghanistan are only the most blatant aspect of the same neo-kon mentality that created our medical deficits.
    All best, Joseph, 67
    Victoria, BC

    • Dear Joseph,
      You ended your dissertation with: “If you continue to publish horribly slanted articles such as this you will lose readership very quickly.”
      How charming of you. One would think that someone as old as you would have better manners.
      I trust you know that Fellowship is a commercial/ad free blog that does not depend on the number of readers for revenue because we get no revenue! We do this out of love for our country, not money. All of which means that your dire threat is, sadly, an empty one. Thank you for stopping by!
      All best,
      Owner/founder of an ad-free blog, maintained by U.S. (not Canadian) citizens committed to the Conservative limited-government vision of our Founding Fathers.

    • Joe, you’re getting up there in age and your ignorance is showing as well, or is it senility. Reagan led the greatest and longest period of economic growth in this country’s history. You talk about trickle down economics as if it was something awful, if you had any inkling about economic theory at all you would know that any successful economy works this way. Wealth always comes from top down, you don’t go to the bum on the street corner looking for a job or to buy a quality product, better to have trickle down economics than trickle up poverty.
      The readership on this blog has only increased since it was started due to the FACTS and OPINIONS that are posted here daily by our beloved owner/founder Eowyn and not by liberal trolls such as yourself.

    • “If you continue to publish horribly slanted articles such as this you will lose readership very quickly.” Unlike your leftwardly slanted commentary, of course.

    • has bloodied us internationally
      How do you know this, except from reading the liberal rags? Have you been to Iraq and Afghanistan and spoken with their people? Have you spoken w/those since the topple of Saddam Hussein? Have you spoken w/ those that now have the right to vote? Have you seen those who have now been allowed to celebrate their Christianity? Have you heard from soldiers that have received gratitude from the children in the streets?
      As for your trickle down bogus rant, show me a homeless man that can employ people…Only those who invest their own monies at a risk are the ones able to create jobs and wealth for others, and lose it at the same time.

  2. Joseph, your communciation again contains an attitude of superiority for which we must bow to you. And since when do we use the UN as a role model? How stupid! Bravo Eowyn!

  3. Eowyn,you are simply-the best!

    • tina,
      Thank you! I will not tolerate Joseph’s ridiculous threat.
      I’m proud of our Fellowship because of outstanding regular Fellows, like you, who are ardent Patriots and all well-informed and fiercely intelligent! 😉

  4. Yes, Eowyn, you are the best and most brilliant, but what is most wonderful about you is the fact that you are never afraid to speak the truth, and love of truth is humility, the mother of all virtues. Mr. Joe, how mighty of you to give threats that are spurious and frivolous! How amazing of you to even think of giving a threat! Wow, what narcissism!

    • Thank you, my beloved Godsister! Whatever I have/am comes from God; I just strive and hope to do the best in service to Him.
      You are right, of course. Joseph’s threat stems from his grandiosity. I also think there’s a lot of fear there as well. He’s Canadian; he’s in his 70s; and he’s terrified what’ll happen to him should Canada’s unsustainable socialist healthcare system falls apart. That’s what happens when, instead of being self-reliant, one depends on the Nanny State to “take care” of you from cradle to grave.

  5. My pleasure Eowyn! I am so honored to be your Godsister! God blessed me so abundantly by allowing me to know you and to have you for my sister!
    I agree with your further analysis as well.

  6. Undoubtedly one of the dumbest things I’ve ever read in my life. You were proven wrong . Canada is thriving and you should be ashamed of your ignorance.


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