Attn Navy SEALs – Don't Trust This Man!

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To all Navy SEALs:
Don’t trust this man! See explanation below.

Admiral William McCraven (photo: J. Scott Applewhite, AP)

reports for the New York Times, August 30, 2011, that, two weeks ago, Admiral William H. McRaven was promoted by Obama to be the new commander of American Special Operations forces.
McRaven is defending the use of commandos in a Navy Seals unit to back up a raid in Afghanistan on August 6 which ended in tragedy when a Chinook helicopter was shot down by the Talibans’ rocket-propelled grenade, killing all 38 people on board, including 17 Navy Seals. This was the greatest loss of American life on a single day in the Afghan war.
McRaven rejects criticism from some retired commandos and military analysts who have questioned how the operation was planned and carried out and whether it was an appropriate use of the vaunted Navy Seals. He insists “There was nothing unusual about this mission” and that planning for the operation was no different from other missions that had been carried out successfully, as many as a dozen on a typical night.
McRaven said he was awaiting the specific findings of Pentagon’s inquiry into the incident, but noted broadly that “this was one of 11 missions that night. We will do whatever it takes to help the nation win this war — and this mission was not unique.”
Some analysts have questioned why an elite Navy Seals strike team was assigned as mere backup for an Army Ranger raid on an insurgent cell, and why so many Special Operations personnel were aboard a single helicopter.
Admiral McRaven dismissed assertions that the most highly trained Navy and Army commando teams should be reserved solely for the most high-profile missions; he said they were regularly assigned to support commanders of units in a local area of combat if that contributed to the overall mission: “We have to be fungible as a force. And if we are not fungible as a force, then we are not of value. It is not unusual at all for Seals or Rangers or Army Special Operations forces to be part of a quick-reaction force, as in this case.”
Admiral McRaven also said that Chinook helicopters were used instead of the smaller, more agile, Black Hawks when a larger team was transported: “They [the Chinooks] are more than capable of doing this particular job. This was an appropriate use of that particular helicopter.”
Before his promotion, Admiral McRaven was in charge of the Joint Special Operations Command, a part of the overall command that oversees the missions of the military’s most highly trained strike units. McRaven held that post during the May 2 raid into Pakistan that killed Osama bin Laden, a success that was discussed publicly by senior administration officials even though it involved a Seals unit that in the past the Pentagon would not even confirm existed.
American Special Operations forces are assigned to more than 70 countries today. And while they account for only 3% of the military as a whole, they make up more than 7% of the forces assigned to Iraq and Afghanistan. The annual budget for the Special Operations Command is $9.8 billion, or 1.4% of Pentagon spending in 2011.
Their experience at hunting high-value insurgent and terrorist leaders, and their role in training the security forces of allied countries, make it likely that they will still be wanted in Iraq and Afghanistan after American conventional forces have withdrawn.

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0 responses to “Attn Navy SEALs – Don't Trust This Man!

  1. As a veteran and like all patriotic Americans, I respect the military. I also know that like any other organization there are people who make bad decisions and that there are ones who are flat out incompetent (you need not look any further for an example than Obama) who will say or do anything to cover the trail of their incompetence. The real shame here is when someone like this screws up royally, brave men die.

  2. On August 20, 2011 Rev Manning of Atlah posted a video on his website, on Youtube and various other video hosting sites expressing the view that the Seals were assassinated by collusion of Obama to coverup the fact that the Bin Laden mission in Pakistan was bogus. I listened to it a day or two after it was posted. Since then, just before he starts speaking, the audio has mysteriously vanished. It’s definitely politically incorrect, as most of Rev Manning’s messages are, but this one must really be the hot potato the PTB do not want in wide circulation!

  3. I would like to see the House repubs start digging into all this Obama Killed Osama stuff, and soon.
    This whole thing just reeks of steaming manure.

  4. McRaven is one of the best SOF leaders in a long time. There is a lot more going on here than the armchair quarterbackers might realize, and it has nothing to do with a coverup. The guys were sent in for the right reasons, on the right platform, as they’ve been doing better than anyone else for over a decade. Sooner or later, a CH or MH-47 was going to get shot down, or crash due to mechanical failure, weather, etc. It’s a shame that this one was full of SEALs, but it would be just as tragic with any other American soldiers. When you keep spinning the wheel for more than ten years of sustained combat, sooner or later your number is going to come up.

    • And you are…who?
      Trident86, I so desperately want to believe in my government, but have repeatedly been lied to and betrayed. Or have you forgotten the military’s coverup of the accidental death or murder of Pat Tillman?
      Please give us one reason why we should believe and trust what you claim.

    • Funny that you are so eager to dismiss the very pertinent questions being raised about all this by so many with spec-ops experience.
      -And they include members of my family,

  5. Where is the part that says we should not trust him? Are you one of the ones trying to say the use of the word ‘Fungible’ is not appropriate, or is this just a random cooincidence of the misguided outrage against the leader of the team that took down Osama. Perhaps those that killed so many seals want to take down the Admiral’s credibility?
    It seems you are willing to contribute. Why?
    Admiral McRaven is a fine leader and was the head of the team that killed Osama Bin Laden. Which more than explains why the NYT is trying to take him down.
    I see alot of questionable blogs that have questionable support of conservative issues spreading this kind of misdirection. McRaven is probably being targeted and exposed by radical liberal progressives in an insidious and frightening way. That is where our outrage should lie.

    • “Where is the part that says we should not trust him?”
      That part is when McRaven already insists on his version of what happened in the Chinook incident of August 6 BEFORE the Pentagon has even finished and made public the findings of its inquiry into the incident. Since McRaven’s mind is already made up, why bother with an inquiry? Just a waste of taxpayers’ money, don’t you think?
      Or is your mind, too, already made up, and the facts be damned?

  6. trident86,
    Thank you for your support of Mcraven. I am shocked by the blogger being disrespectful by the “and you are who?” comment. Which possibly explains why she is contributing to discrediting the Admiral. I hope the rest of America is as outraged as you and I are at the disrespect of one of the finest and the most sucessful terrorist hunters of our lifetime.

    • Why is it “disrespectful” to ask Trident86 who he is and by what authority he speaks? I don’t know who he is; do you? And if you do, kindly tell us who His Majesty is.
      And yet you are accusing me of being “disrespectful” !!! So now, for American citizens to raise questions is being “disrespectful”. Our Founding Fathers, who sacrificed so much to rebel from the British monarchy and establish a republic, must be rolling in their graves.

      • Eowyn,
        This one smells suspiciously like a KOS-turd.
        My guess is he is a paid operative of the left, and probably voted for Obama.
        If he was old enough, I mean.

        • I am a she, dave. I am a Navy wife, mother and a patriot. I served as a state delegate and helped develop the GOP party platform in my state. I have been an activist for conservative issues for a very long time and helped put together the first teaparty on April 15th after Obama was elected. I have a picture hanging on my wall with Glenn Beck in front of the Alamo for that event. It was one of the finest moment of my life. I was a nurse for 17 years before my daughter was born with down syndrome and cystic fibrosis, and came home to care for her. She is the light of my life, and we work hard to get people to not make references to the word “turd” retard, and the like. It hurts innocent children, but I cannot control what you have mistaken me for.
          So are all the blog people here this rude?

    • “…of one of the finest and the most sucessful terrorist hunters of our lifetime.”
      Based on what evidence?

  7. After seeing the way you stated your comment to trident it sounded rather snarky. If I am getting that wrong, my sincerest apologies. I do not understand the majesty comment or what you are referring to.
    I never indicated that questioning our nation’s finest was disrespectful. I referred to the comment.
    My son was barely 6 months old when he lost his father after 911, so please do not lecture me about sacrifice. We gave all, but I do not ask for anyone’s sympathy. Fortunately, my Navy veteran husband stepped in to our lives during a very difficult time to be the only father he has ever known. My son carries a dream of being a future navy seal, and he carries his fathers legacy proudly, and I am proud of him.
    Of course Admiral Mcraven had his mind made up. He was there and he was in charge. It is not as if he was asked for an opinion. He was asked for the truth. When it is the truth you report, your mind is usually made up. If you have to choose which answer you are going to give, it is probably something you’ve made up.
    God Bless America, the Navy Seals and their leaders. Very few have the strength to serve in the capacity that they do.

    • politicaljules,
      I am sorry for the loss of your Navy vet husband. But I did NOT lecture to you about sacrifice. Do you always misread and misinterpret what others write? I was referring to the sacrifices made by the Founding Fathers to gain independence from the tyrannical British monarch and to build a republic. Are you equating your sacrifice with those of the Founders?
      Once again, let me state my position:
      While I respect the men and women of the United States Armed Forces, that doesn’t mean I’ve renounced my rights as an American citizen and as a person created by God with a mind and intelligence. You are confusing respect for the military with automatic unquestioning belief and trust in the U.S. government — which includes the military. The Founding Fathers designed a political system of separation of powers, many checks & balances, and protections for the citizens’ rights and liberties precisely because they are wary of anyone with authority, because authority figures have the same human nature — one with both “angel and devil” — and this nature is UNIVERSAL, which includes Admiral McRaven and every member of the US military.
      Frankly, it’s your near-slavish trust in authority figures that is both naive and ill-serving of our American republic. Or have you already forgotten that:
      1. The US military under CIC Barack Obama lied — for months — to the family of Pat Tillman about how he died in Afghanistan?
      2. The US military court-martialed, convicted, and jailed army surgeon former Lt. Col. Terry Lakin for questioning Obama’s constitutional eligibility to be Commander In Chief, and the military judge at his court martial denied Lakin the defense’s right of discovery of Obama’s concealed documents, including his birth certificate and his kindergarten school records — on the grounds that she did not want to “embarrass” Obama.
      I will continue to be skeptical about the raid and killing of supposedly Osama bin Laden (body immediately dumped in the ocean!) as well as the downing of that Chinook helicopter (killing the exact same Navy SEALs who were in that raid) until the truth is out. And I will continue to defend my every right to question authority figures such as McRaven — against your demonization. Count on it. I have infinite patience and persistence.

  8. dave,
    (note: the article says he is a 3 star general. He is now 4 star)
    Adm. William McRaven: The terrorist hunter on whose shoulders Osama bin Laden raid rested
    As U.S. helicopters secretly entered Pakistani airspace Sunday, the Joint Operations Center at Bagram Airfield in Afghanistan was under the control of a square-jawed admiral from Texas who had labored for years to find Osama bin Laden’s elusive trail.
    Vice Adm. William H. McRaven, one of the most experienced terrorist hunters in the U.S. government, had tapped a special unit of Navy SEALs for the mission two months earlier. A former SEAL himself, McRaven had overseen weeks of intensive training for a covert operation that could cripple al-Qaeda if it worked, or strain an already troubled alliance with Pakistan if it went awry.
    The search for bin Laden was led by the CIA, which painstakingly pieced together scraps of intelligence that eventually pointed to a high-walled compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan. CIA Director Leon Panetta delegated the raid to McRaven, who had been preparing for such a moment for most of his career.
    He has worked almost exclusively on counter terrorism operations and strategy since 2001, when as a Navy captain he was assigned to the White House shortly after the Sept. 11 attacks. The author of a textbook titled “Spec Ops,” McRaven had long emphasized six key requirements for any successful mission: surprise, speed, security, simplicity, purpose and repetition.
    For the especially risky bin Laden operation, he insisted on another: precision.
    “He understands the strategic importance of precision,” said a senior official who worked closely with McRaven to find bin Laden, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the operation. “He demands high standards. That’s why we’ve been so successful.”
    As leader of the military’s highly secretive Joint Special Operations Command, McRaven has overseen a rapid escalation of manhunts for Taliban leaders in Afghanistan and al-Qaeda figures around the world. Although he’s a three-star admiral, the muscular 55-year-old still sometimes accompanies his teams on snatch-and-grab missions.
    On Friday, McRaven received the green light from Panetta to launch the raid at the earliest opportunity. Later that day, he met with a six-member congressional delegation that was coincidentally visiting Afghanistan. He gave the lawmakers a tour of the Bagram operations center that — unbeknownst to them — was gearing up for the critical mission.
    “Little did we know he had already given the order to take out Osama bin Laden,” said Rep. Bill Shuster (R-Pa.), who led the delegation.
    McRaven had been just weeks away from leaving Afghanistan for a new assignment. He had led the Joint Special Operations Command since 2008, when he succeeded Army Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal, whose team helped turn the tide of the war in Iraq by relentlessly targeting insurgent leaders, including al-Qaeda’s chief in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. Zarqawi was killed by a U.S. airstrike in 2006.
    “Nobody thought it would be possible, frankly, to take that command beyond what Stan McChrystal did, but he has,” said Michael G. Vickers, undersecretary of defense for intelligence. “He has taken what was already a very integrated, inter-agency organization and taken it to another level.”

    • I’m guessing that my military friends and relatives killed more Islamic goon terrorists by accident than this brass-sporting, desk driving suck-up of an admiral ever killed on purpose.

    • And why would any US military member who is truly loyal to their oath suck up to Obama in the first place?
      You appear to be confused.

  9. Looks like I have to apologize again. I apparently said, “I hope the rest of America is as outraged as you and I are at the disrespect of one of the finest and the most sucessful terrorist hunters of our lifetime.”
    Please continue to question the decisions of some of the finest heroes in our military today. You should see what it does for troop moral to have them come home to American’s questioning their efforts of to keep us safe. Especially the team that took down the greatest terror maker of our lifetime. My best friend’s husband committed suicide after he could no longer handle the horrible treatment he received from Americans he would have laid his life down for. I apologize for being passionate about this. It is too close to home for me. Especially when I see conservatives do it.
    If that makes me get thumbs down from blog readers and writers that claim to be conservative. So be it. I’ve been through pain you cannot imagine.
    This pettiness means nothing.

  10. Dennis H. Bennett

    My heart goes out to all who have suffered losses, in any setting. But my losses, especially in grief, can move me to idealizations that preserve the one lost AND make me vulnerable to their weaknesses. Especially with issues so “close to home”. Adm McCraven can just as easily be influenced by this dynamic.
    Most every one associated with the CIC is suspect, and this is, perhaps, the majority source for the questions around the SEALS deaths. I earnestly pray that Adm McCraven’s appointment is not seen as only as political grab for votes, but as an earnest respect for a devoted, and competent, military officer and leader.
    I have questions regarding breeches of security in and around the mission.
    These only aggravate the grief of those who lost their father, brother, uncle, husband grandfather, nephew….but my questions are legitimate and necessary, not just for freedom’s sake, but so the contributing factors in this horrible loss can be better managed next time.
    Dennis H. Bennett


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