American Sniping – by the Sniveling Cowardly Left

Cartoon by Bob Gorrell/Creators Syndicate.

Cartoon by Bob Gorrell/Creators Syndicate.


~Steve~                   H/T https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/

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Northerngirl
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Northerngirl

LOL!! Great cartoon and so true. The Left has become almost rabid in their hate of this movie. I think it’s because the movie embodies everything the Left hates, God, guns, family and love for country. These are all the things found in abundance in the red states, or as the jerk part of the population calls them, the ” flyover states.” I believe Conservatives have been the main driving force in making this movie a box office hit; we’re sending a loud message to the Left through it.

a Texas libertarian
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It always requires bravery or stupidity to put yourself in situations where you may be killed, but this fact doesn’t necessarily justify the action. In other words, it is always brave to defend your brothers and sisters in arms with your life, but what if they are killing innocent people and occupying a foreign country in a misguided belief they are making the world safe for democracy? American Sniper seems to be glorifying the war effort, and we have to be careful of letting ourselves be emotionally manipulated into consenting or cheering on an ever escalating military presence abroad. It… Read more »

DCG
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“occupying a foreign country in a misguided belief they are making the world safe for democracy?” AQ and ISIS are quite content with that position, no doubt.

a Texas libertarian
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Actually, they benefit from the military mindset of Americans. The be-headings are nothing but a lure to get us over there, because they know that the more the war escalates the more they can radicalize to their cause, and the longer it lasts the less likely anyone over there will remember a different state of affairs. Islamic extremism will become the norm over there, which is also precisely what the US government the parasitic military industrial complex wants as well: a permanent foe of their own creation to enshrine their own seats of power.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Dude, have you not put down the bong since ’73 or what? Really, the tired old liberal bash on anything patriotic or, at least, having the tiniest bit of backbone is all brand new and sparkly with you!comment image

a Texas libertarian
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Haha I don’t smoke. Never have interestingly enough. And it takes zero backbone to be “for the war” when you don’t have to fight in it.

Dr. Eowyn
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“And it takes zero backbone to be “for the war” when you don’t have to fight in it.”
How wrong you are.

a Texas libertarian
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How does it require courage to float with popular opinion? To ride the ideological currents of the sociopolitical elite? They love war, because they’re not the ones who fight, and they make windfall profits. Check out Smedley Butler’s War is a Racket. Is Paul Krugman courageous for championing the cause for central banks, governments, and the international socioeconomic elite who benefit from an environment of inflation? No I submit that his Noble prize, his cushy position at the New York Times and his prestigious professorship at Princeton were payment for a entirely different sort of quality than courage. It takes… Read more »

Dr. Eowyn
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I can really do without your long lecture. My original response to your quip to “Anonymous” (“And it takes zero backbone to be “for the war” when you don’t have to fight in it.”) was to point out you were wrong about “Anonymous” not having to fight. I can’t say more without compromising his privacy.

a Texas libertarian
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I apologize for the long post, but I stand by my statement. It doesn’t take a courage to be for the war. This means that those for the war and not fighting may or may not have courage, but courage itself is not a requisite for this position.

Dr. Eowyn
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You really should rename yourself “Texas dense-head”. After 2 tries on my part, you *still* don’t get it. “Anonymous” is a fighter. Now please leave us alone. I really have had enough of your harangues.

a Texas libertarian
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I was the one harangued and insulted on multiple occasions, without provocation, but if you’d rather just preach to the choir, then be my guest.

Mike howrightismike
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Mike howrightismike

I agree. Anonymous is a true patriot.

Dave
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Dave

I cannot help but notice you are posting here in English.
-As opposed to Japanese or German.
-Dave

a Texas libertarian
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God forbid anyone have a dissenting opinion. This is Merica for God’s sake!

j.case
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j.case

A man far wiser than I has already replied in spirit to this post, more than 100 years ago: “War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.” — John Stuart Mill… Read more »

a Texas libertarian
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We didn’t choose this war, but “we” can’t choose anything. This is a collectivist illusion that has infected American individualism. Only an individual can choose, and our politicians and the bureaucrats they appointed certainly chose this war by engaging in and promoting military campaigns in the region for over 50 years. Islam is not the problem; there are probably over a billion peaceful muslims in the world. The extremists are twisting the religion to radicalize those who have been ravaged by American imperialism. Also what represents the Left today is a Keynesian Marxist mix of ideological vomit. I choose to… Read more »

DCG
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If they could get past their hate for Bush, why we went to Iraq (which can be debated forever), the concept of war and an organized military complex, they’d see this movie is about the effects of war on Chris and his family. We can’t change history. We went to Iraq. And we never left despite what Obama said. There has always been troops and/or contractors there, and soldiers from Bragg deployed there last week. Never hear the left bashing Obama for continuing the misguided war. Guess it’s easier to bash Bush and American Sniper. As for this movie being… Read more »

Northerngirl
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Northerngirl

Very well said DCG!! The Left can’t see straight over this movie’s success. I thought the movie was great!!

art
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art

Tsk tsk! silly Children. I served (what I thought was ) my country proudly. My military years taught me “everything about the US is a lie. We are not fighting to protect civilians but for the free reign of global banks and corporations. I do not regret serving in the military for 4 years including a deluxe Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club cruise. It was a major growing event in my life as well as a painful one. The moment the planes hit WTC on 911 I knew that it was a false flag operation. Everyone else was running around waving… Read more »

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Free reign of global banks and corporations? You mean like Georg Soros and various rich liberal cronies who donate heavily to the DNC and progressive causes? (Ask Bill Clinton about the island with all those underage girls his buddy Jeffrey Epstein had, too.) They just feel America should be like “the rest of the world” (you know, Argentina) where the 1% (them) really does own everything, that’s all. They’re UN-loving, no-sense progressive loons.

Anonymous
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Art, this was for you. I’ll make it easy for you: It’s the audience of The Economist magazine– that’s who’re worried about.

a Texas libertarian
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I mean all those people too of course. I’m no Democrat. I’m for extreme individualism and freedom. I’m to the left of Thomas Jefferson. Check out Murray Rothbard’s Anatomy of the State.

a Texas libertarian
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Steve you seem like a reasonable man. My problem with war is not that I hate our soldiers; it is precisely the opposite. I think the State expends our good men and women (sometimes the best of us) far too haphazardly. It takes our bravest and sends them to foreign countries and puts them in morally depraved situations (like the scene in American Sniper where he has to shoot a woman and child who are simply defending their own country) from which they may never emotionally recover. https://www.cnn.com/2013/09/21/us/22-veteran-suicides-a-day/ Is this such an unreasonable position for one to stand? After all,… Read more »

Dr. Eowyn
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Texas libertarian, I haven’t seen American Sniper, so I can’t comment on that. But I understand and sympathize with your warning from George Washington (and other Founding Fathers), your point about wars in which the U.S. should not be involved, as well as the dangers of rah-rah uncritical patriotism. The Afghanistan War is now the longest war in the history of the U.S., and there is no end in sight. Last November, Obama quietly expanded the authorization to use U.S. troops in Afghanistan to include offensive ops, despite his announcement last May that the U.S. military would have no combat… Read more »

a Texas libertarian
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Very good points. There is no anti-war party in America anymore. Maybe the Libertarian party, but I have my doubts about them as well.
Ron Paul was our best chance at a politician who actually understands the vision of the founding fathers, but conservatives selected Romney instead. Great choice America! And McCain before him. Both war mongering neoconservatives lacking of any sense of individual freedom or natural rights.

DCG
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So AQI didn’t have enough men volunteer that they “recruited” women and children to protect their country? Got it. You didn’t describe the scene with the drill though. That’s the true AQI and how they operate and treat their people.
How many tours did you do in the sandbox? You seemed to have garnered much more Intel and information than us.

a Texas libertarian
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I’m not defending ISIS or Al Quaida. I’m saying if you occupy a country of completely different ideologies, you may unite them against you. Also if you make people desperate under military occupation or sanctions they will be more likely to turn to a desperate means of defense. For instance, the Treaty of Versailles created Hitler and rise of Nazism.
Zero tours for me. Does this invalidate my position?

DCG
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Doesn’t invalidate your position. You just seem to have a much better understanding of the intentions of AQI and ISIS. Wondered where you obtained that insight.
AQI and ISIS are already united against every ideology that doesn’t follow their madness. They don’t need any excuse for the “desperate” means of defense they exhibit everyday across the world in their goal for Islamic rule.

Northerngirl
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Northerngirl

Sometimes it’s so hard to teach those unwilling to learn but I admire your patience. People can not seem to grasp the fact that Islam’s purpose IS domination of the world and conversion of the world’s population into members of their cult. Convert or die is their motto.

a Texas libertarian
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Look AQI and ISIS are monsters no doubt, but all governments have done terrible things. This is nothing new. What is worse, sawing off a few heads, or blowing up hundreds of thousands of innocent people in nuclear explosions that will injure those and their children in the region for decades? Yes the United States government is responsible for the second, and in my opinion much more atrocious, act and stands alone as the sole villain in human history that has ever done so.
Why can’t you turn your just and absolutely correct criticism of ISIS and AQI on our government?

Anonymous
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Anonymous

See? Toldja…comment image

a Texas libertarian
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America and the United States government are two totally different entities. One of the most remarkable achievements of modern democratic governments is that they’ve almost completely erased this distinction from the minds of the people. The ideological camouflage of “we are the government” is very effective. Instead of being a check on tyranny, democracy legitimizes it.

Dr. Eowyn
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“America and the United States government are two totally different entities.”
Other than the government is contained in America, how are they “totally different”? Don’t just declare. Explain, with sources.

a Texas libertarian
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The Nation (the people) and the State (the people who run government) are two opposing forces. The Nation creates its wealth through the voluntary interactions on the market, while the State creates its wealth by organized theft upon the productive and voluntary actions of the Nation. Do I need sources to prove this point? Americans will be here long after the Unites States government has run its course. Unfortunately, it will take a global economic meltdown for most to question the status quo. Capitalism has provided us with such a high quality of life that the government’s parasitic nature has… Read more »

Dr. Eowyn
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“The Nation (the people) and the State (the people who run government) are two opposing forces.”
Well of course the nation and the state are not the same thing! Even my undergraduate students know that. I thought you were referring to some people’s notion of the U.S. government being some institution owned by Britain.
Whether nation and state are “opposing forces” depends on the country and the time.

a Texas libertarian
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The State lives off the productivity of the Nation by means of violent expropriation (if necessary). How can the State and the Nation not be considered opposing forces every single time? There may be differences in degree for sure, but in principle it is the same whether you are talking the 2015 US government or the 1944 German government.

Dr. Eowyn
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You must be an anarchist then, who favors no government? In contrast, I’m a conservative who’s very mindful that governments are a necessary evil, which is why I favor as limited a government as possible, with as many institutionalized checks & balances to curb its power.

a Texas libertarian
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Anarcho-capitalist to be specific. I can respect your Lockean position, as long as we can agree that government is evil, I’m happy. Lol The necessary part is debatable…
The problem with checks and balances though is that they can be used as justification of the wrongs they were intended to prevent. See Rothbard p. 70
https://mises.org/sites/default/files/Egalitarianism%20as%20a%20Revolt%20Against%20Nature%2C%20and%20Other%20Essays_2.pdf

Mike howrightismike
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Mike howrightismike

This post is so true, Steve! And you ignited a firestorm of comments!