Seattle-King County Public Health want doctors to be more inquisitive into patient firearm access/ownership


On Tuesday, Seattle-King County Public Health published a statement with their intent to decrease gun violence. The blog was posted by Dr. Jeff Duchin, Health Officer for Public Health – Seattle & King County.

About Dr. Duchin: “Jeff served for over 15 years as Chief of the Public Health’s Communicable Disease Epidemiology & Immunization Section. Jeff trained as a Medical Epidemiologist in the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) Epidemic Intelligence Service (EIS) after which he completed the CDC’s Preventive Medicine Residency program.”

See his full bio here.

The doctor is on Twitter. Here’s a few of his tweets:

The blog post by Seattle-King County Public Health talks about suicide and firearm-related injuries including statistics, deaths  and costs to taxpayers. Read the full blog post here.

Here are excerpts from the agency’s new pledge:

“For that reason, Public Health is joining with leading medical professional associations to form a new collaboration with a renewed commitment to decrease firearm-related injury and deaths by working together and using a public health approach.

Prevention is the core of a public health approach, and firearm injuries and deaths can be prevented. We must address prevention of firearm-related injuries in the same way we do for other types of injuries, poisonings, and infectious and chronic diseases, using a public health approach that includes:

  • Screening to identify patients with risk factors for firearm-related injury
  • Educating patients and families about risk factors, firearm safety and injury prevention as we do for other diseases and causes of injury – gun owners and non-gun owners alike understand the importance of firearm safety
  • Gathering data and conducting research on risk and protective factors for firearm related injury and death in order to make evidence-based recommendations and strategies
  • Promoting the adoption of successful prevention strategies, including those addressing upstream drivers of violence, such as childhood abuse, neglect and trauma, poverty, substance use disorders, disrupted families and communities, and being a victim of violence
  • Fostering multidisciplinary and community collaborations with stakeholders interested in reducing firearm-related injury and death, including gun-owners

The medical community has an important role in this work.  You can read our joint statement, which includes a description of our approach and examples of actions healthcare providers can take to reduce firearm-related injury and death, at 

(WARNING: I tried clicking on the link to read the document and each time I did my computer froze. Not sure if it’s just my computer or the Public Health link.)

This collaboration among healthcare provider professional organizations is the first of many steps local and statewide medical professionals can take together to reduce firearm injury and death in our communities. We invite other healthcare professional organizations to join us by endorsing our statement and/or participating in our future work.” has some more details:

“Those efforts include joining with experts at Harborview Injury Prevention and Research Center, Washington State Medical Association, King County Medical Society, and other state and local medical groups to recommend more screening and education for patients of all ages, including everything from identifying risk factors to talking to them about the importance of safely storing guns.

It recommends medical professionals should also respect beliefs of lawful firearm owners in order to effectively communicate. Also, to use healthcare providers who are also gun owners to provide leadership and knowledge on the issue.

I wonder if any of the “data” gathered by doctors could be used in the future to determine if compliance is being achieved with Mayor Durkan’s proposed new gun legislation?


41 responses to “Seattle-King County Public Health want doctors to be more inquisitive into patient firearm access/ownership

  1. If my doctor asked me if I owned a firearm I would simply say “no,” even if I owned an arsenal bigger than the army’s. End of conversation.
    If you aren’t going to ask me about my machete, my assortment of big kitchen knives, my long pointy garden tools, my ice pick and my collection of sewing scissors, what difference does it make.

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    • HA HA! LOVED this answer! You forgot: your car, SUV, muscle truck…or your local rental truck venue. Would never ever tell my Dr. anything that Obamacare instituted as part and parcel of “medical care” these days, like this line of gun questioning.

      Aside—like my Kaiser assn just recently sent me a letter urging me to make an appt w/my Dr(I don’t even know who my Dr. is these days at Kaiser) to discuss “end of life planning.” This is an Obamacare edict in which I refuse to participate. I have passed a certain age, but I am still full-time working/employed in a very demanding segment of our education system….and resent my “Dr” pressuring me to make “end of life arrangements.” This is CODE FOR—-we want you to sign a “do not resuscitate” order. FYI……a colleague of mine who is my same age, was thrown from her horse last summer on an evening ride when he stumbled over something. She was not wearing her helmut and sustained a serious head injury. Taken to the local hospital, they kept questioning her son about her “end of life plans.” She had NOT signed anything (she was also on the Kaiser Permanente system). She was awake enough during this badgering to defend herself against them and she received treatment over the next 4 days that stabilized her and she subsequently returned to full and functional health within a few days to months. What we ALL learned from this experience of hers is that, if she had signed a “do not resuscitate” or “no herioc measures” document….her head injury MIGHT NOT have been treated due to a “cookie cutter age passage.” BEWARE…..the “end of life planning,” inclusive of the DNR order is a blanket coverage for a general end of life (death due to old age, death do to overwhelming systems failure…..etc) and NOT need-specific….YET, it allows the medical staff to decide FOR YOU whether or not you recieve treatment for any number of conditions or injuries—some (maybe most?) of which can be successfullly approached medically——–BUT——-b/c of the Obamacare meddling in our health care systems…..once you have passed a certain age….you might be considered “un-treatable” due to “cost-effectiveness.”

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  2. Un-fortunately, if you are asked a question about firearms, your only option is to lie. ANY OTHER response will raise questions which could lead to an inquiry.

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  3. As long as they keep their laws in Seattle, Portland, SF and their ilk, go for it.

    Problem is Bloomberg and Soros use such laws as stepping stones to national confiscation.

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  4. Do they want people to stop trusting thier doctors? Instead of lying to your doctor just ask a question back…
    ” if I told you I sold my guns and gun safe during the last gun buy back and bought a nice massage chair with the money, would it make you happy?”

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  5. Hi FOTM,
    If “My Dr.,” his assistant(s) and or associates were to ask me “ANY” questions about “GUNS!!” I don’t care how trivial, I would have only “TWO WORDS” for him/them……. “YOU’RE FIRED!!!!!” and walk out…..
    Got GUNZ…………..OUTLAW!!!!!!,

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  6. Why are doctors, whose job is to cure illnesses, willing allow themselves be tools of anti-Constitution (2nd Amendment) fascists?

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  7. Dennis Godaire

    The answer is always NO. All questions not related to medical concerns should not be answered with anything other than a NO.

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  8. While we are discussing prevention of unwanted deaths due to private ownership of firearms, why not study means of preventing unwanted deaths from dictators ruling a defenseless society, especially from Globalist dictators seeking to rid the earth of 90% of its human population? Oh, now I get, those wouldn’t be unwanted deaths!

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  9. “Prevention is the core of a public health approach, and firearm injuries and deaths can be prevented.” How about we change a few words and make it out saying.
    “Prevention is the core of a public health approach, and Doctors who have Mal-practice injuries and deaths to patients can be prevented.”
    Now that sounds like a good public service announcement do you not agree?
    Folks don’t admit to anything no is the best thing you can say or do about it until we loose all our rights do not tell them anything and you’ll be much better off than sounding off to them that is what they are looking for.

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  10. They are just gathering more information to give the ‘authorities’ so they know who to go after in case of “civil unrest”. Anyone who tells their doctor this sort of thing is crazy.
    People should ask the doctor if THEY own guns. Don’t tell them anything.

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  11. Ya know, this just popped into my little brain- they’re trying to push this thing in our state where if someone might be ‘mentally unstable’ that they can take their guns (family members or whoever can rat out that person apparently). So, what is to stop a doctor from asking a person if they’re say, depressed and if they say ‘yes’, then they send el copo’s to your hacienda and confiscate your guns?

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  12. I’ve seen reports that legal prescription drugs kill on the average about 120,000 a year. And who prescribed these? Oh, “physician, health thyself.”

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  13. They really do need to stick with their ‘medical practice’. There is a reason it is called a “Practice”. Doctors kill a thousands of times more patients through medical malpractice every year than gun owners do on purpose or accident.

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  14. Doc: Do you own guns?
    Me: Go f*ck yourself.

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  15. Me, I decided a number of years ago, that I would rather trust the Lord who created my body to be my physician, and keep as far away from these tools of the state as possible. The more I learn about them, the gladder I am for my decision!!

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    • Like my mom used to say (before they helped kill her with prescription drugs), don’t go to a doctor unless you can’t stand the pain, can’t stop the bleeding or are unconscious. I’ve been hit on the head and knocked out and I still didn’t go, ha ha!

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  16. DCG: I have converted the Seattle firearm safety document to a Word document.

    DCG: Here is the text of the document that kept freezing up your computer. I have converted the original pdf doc to a Word doc., then pasted the text to fit the FOTM reply format.

    Firearm-Related Injury and Death as a Public Health Problem:
    The Role of the Physicians and Nurses
    Statement from Public Health – Seattle & King County and
    Washington State Physician and Nursing Leadership

    As healthcare providers, we recognize firearm-related injury and death as a public health epidemic. We also know that firearm-related injury and death are preventable through a comprehensive public health approach that keeps families and communities safe.

    Physicians and nurses have an important role in the public health approach to prevent firearm injury and death just as we do in addressing other major causes of poor health and preventable deaths in the population. Addressing the problem of firearm-related injury requires healthcare providers to recognize and respect a diversity of views and practices that will influence the success of any approach.

    Firearm-related injury is a leading cause of premature injury-related death in King County, Washington state, and nationally. While recent mass killings and school shootings have renewed the sense of urgency to make progress, firearm suicide remains the leading cause of fatal firearm injury, followed by homicide and accidents.

    We know that:
    • Firearm-related injuries are often fatal; therefore, prevention is essential.
    In 2016, 151 King County residents died from a firearm injury, including 7 children ages 17 and younger. During 2016 in Washington state, 682 residents died from a firearm injury, including 20 children under the age of 18. Firearm homicides disproportionately affect young men who are African American and Native American/Alaska Natives.
    • Suicide rates are strongly associated with household gun ownership.
    In Washington state, firearm suicides are 75% of all firearm deaths and account for approximately half of all suicides, and suicide death rates are highest in men 65 years and older. Adolescents with access to firearms are 2.6 times as likely to die by suicide as adolescents without this access. In Seattle and King County, 93% of suicide attempts with a firearm are fatal.
    • Access to firearms increases the risk of conflict-related deaths and injuries.
    The presence of firearms can turn an argument into a fatality.
    • Access to firearms and unsafe firearm storage practices create risk of serious unintentional injury and death.
    A study of teen suicides by firearm found that most were carried out with firearms from the adolescent’s home. More than 75% of firearms used in suicide attempts and unintentional injuries were stored in the residence of the victim, a relative, or friend. Safer storage of firearms can reduce the risk of youth suicide and unintentional firearm injuries by 70% or more.

    A public health approach is evidence based and answers questions like: who is dying? Why are they dying? How can we prevent firearm-related injuries and deaths?

    A public health approach to preventing firearm-related injury and death recognizes that violence is contagious. It uses primary prevention to interrupt the transmission of violence through:

    • Gathering data and conducting research to better understand trends in gun-related deaths and injuries, their causes and the impact of interventions;
    • Identifying risk factors associated with firearm injury and death (e.g., drug and alcohol misuse, poverty and depression) and resilience or protective factors that guard against gun violence (e.g., youth access to trusted adults); and,
    • Developing and evaluating interventions to reduce risk factors and build protective factors; and, • Promoting the adoption of successful prevention strategies.

    As healthcare providers dedicated to caring for children and adults, we have firsthand experience with the devastating impact firearm-related injuries and deaths have on the health of our patients, their families and our communities. Consistent with guidelines from medical and public health professional associations, we support the following:
    Screen for risk factors for firearm injury and educate patients about prevention of firearm-related injury and death as we do to prevent other diseases and causes of injury.
    • Counsel patients on the risk of having firearms in the home, and risk factors for suicide, particularly when children, adolescents, people with dementia, people experiencing behavioral health or substance use disorders, or those who are at increased risk of harming themselves or others are present in the home.
    • Educate our patients, their families and our community about the role that firearms play in suicide and take concrete steps to remove access to firearms when a person who we know is at risk, using existing tools such as voluntary temporary transfers of firearms and Extreme Risk Protection Orders.
    • Educate patients about safe storage of firearms, including information and resources from King County’s Lok-it-Up program.
    • While individuals experiencing psychiatric conditions are far more likely to be victims than perpetrators of interpersonal violence, some are at elevated risk of suicide. Healthcare professionals must be trained to recognize and respond to those experiencing psychiatric symptoms to reduce their risk of harm.
    Counseling on firearm safety should recognize and respect the range of personal beliefs surrounding lawful firearm ownership in order to enhance communication with persons holding diverse views.
    • Engage healthcare providers who own firearms to provide leadership in developing competence in knowledge, attitudes and skills among their peer groups.
    • Encourage healthcare providers who do not own firearms to learn about the diversity of reasons for gun ownership and the variable perspectives and preferences that might relate to health-related outcomes.

    • Support safe and secure storage of firearms.
    • Require a mandatory waiting period for firearm purchases.
    • Require reporting of lost and stolen firearms to law enforcement authorities.
    • Ban the sale of semi-automatic rifles and high-capacity magazines.
    • Raise the minimum age to purchase handguns to age 21 without exceptions.
    • Support research into and programs to address upstream social determinants of health that increase the risk for firearm injury and death.

    • Promote upstream use of voluntary firearm transfers out of the home during periods of elevated risk.
    • Promote education on the use of Extreme Risk Protection Orders.
    • Promote collaborative approaches to reducing fatal firearm injuries.

    • Ensure that health systems have the resources they need to provide comprehensive access to behavioral health services, including screening, prevention and treatment.

    • Support the development of programs that support all students’ mental health and address bullying, violence, anger, depression, substance use, and other social and emotional issues.
    • Support comprehensive measures in community and school-based prevention, early strategies for identifying and intervening in signs of risk, and preparedness initiatives to prevent firearm violence and prepare our communities and schools for an emergency.
    • Support providing on-site behavioral health services, including at children’s primary care clinics and school-based health centers, a common-sense approach to ensure that children and youth are able to access appropriate treatment and services.
    • Support Washington’s Stop the Bleed campaign to educate community members about effectively controlling blood loss in injured persons.
    • Support the Safer Homes, Suicide Aware program that promotes locking and limiting unauthorized access to firearms and medications to save lives.

    • Expand research and development of gun safety technology and devices, including safe storage devices such as trigger locks, lockboxes, and safes.
    • Support innovative technology, such as “smart” firearms that only the authorized user can fire, that can prevent unauthorized firearm access and misuse, including unintentional shootings.

    Harborview Injury Prevention and Research Center
    King County Medical Society
    Public Health – Seattle & King County
    Washington Chapter of the American Academy of Family Physicians
    Washington Chapter of the American Academy of Pediatrics
    Washington Chapter of the American College of Emergency Physicians
    Washington Chapter of the American College of Physicians
    Washington State Medical Association
    Washington State Nurses Association
    Washington State Trauma and EMS Steering Committee

    This statement was created using information and resources from the American Public Health Association, the American College of Physicians, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Academy of Family Physicians, the American Medical Association, and Public Health – Seattle & King County. Resources include:
    Firearm-Related Injuries Affecting the Pediatric Population. COUNCIL ON INJURY, VIOLENCE, AND POISON PREVENTION EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE. Pediatrics Nov 2012, 130 (5) e1416-e1423. Reaffirmed, 2016.
    Firearm-related injury and death in the United States: a call to action from 8 health professional organizations and the American Bar Association. Weinberger SE, et. Al. Ann Intern Med. 2015 Apr 7;162
    (7):513-6. doi: 10.7326/M15-0337.
    Firearms and Safety Issues. American Academy of Family Physicians. Downloaded 23 March 2018 at and, America’s Frontline Physicians Call on Government to Act on the Public Health Epidemic of Gun Violence. American Academy of Family Physicians. Downloaded 23 March 2018 at all/2018/americas-frontline-physicians-call-on-government-to-act-on-the-public-health-epidemic-ofgun-violence.html
    Physician Counseling on Firearm Safety – A New Kind of Cultural Competence. Betz ME, Wintermute GJ. JAMA 2015.
    Preventing Gun Violence. American Public Health Association. Downloaded 23 March 2018 at
    Action to address gun violence is long overdue. American Medical Association, Feb 15, 2018. Downloaded 23 March 2018 at
    AMA backs common-sense measures to prevent gun injuries, deaths. Jun 13, 2018; Downloaded June 13, 2018 at,
    Gun Violence in King County, available at

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    • Thanks so much! I tried five times and each time my computer froze. I’ve been afraid to try accessing it again…

      “…take concrete steps to remove access to firearms when a person who we know is at risk, using existing tools such as voluntary temporary transfers of firearms and Extreme Risk Protection Orders”

      There it is. The doc can effectively request an ERPO on anyone he/she “feels” may be at risk.

      Plus “access” and “storage” is mentioned quite a bit. How convenient that issue is the crux of the mayor’s proposed gun legislation. Sneaky bast@rds…

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      • You’re very welcome. It crashed me also the first two times, but I found a way around the block. I posted another response to it below. These antis are incorrigible!

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  17. Hey, I thought there was HIPPA… oh, wait, gov’t doesn’t abide by that (especially progressives).

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  18. ManCavePatriot

    Under Obamacare HIPPA guidelines, physicians and other healthcare professionals were allowed to inquire about patients personal data if they felt it was germane to their care. The promise that any of this info would be kept confidential is ridiculous.

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  19. This “Firearm-Death-Injury . . .” document is littered with the intellectual refuse of a cadre of supposed expert researchers, which, considering their vapid, discredited, illogical, conclusions, bespeaks of a group whose collective IQs would not reach the temperature in a drafty castle high in the Alps on a snowy December night. Good Davy Jones, as my grandmother used to say! How can anyone be so stupid? This is nothing but a regurgitation, in medical parlance, of the same nonsense spewed out by every anti-Second Amendment group that has come down the pike.

    Here is just a few of the recommendation contained in the Seattle document:

    Support safe and secure storage of firearms.
    • Require a mandatory waiting period for firearm purchases.
    • Require reporting of lost and stolen firearms to law enforcement authorities.
    • Ban the sale of semi-automatic rifles and high-capacity magazines.
    • Raise the minimum age to purchase handguns to age 21 without exceptions.
    • Support research into and programs to address upstream social determinants of health that increase the risk for firearm injury and death.
    • Promote education on the use of Extreme Risk Protection Orders.
    • Promote upstream use of voluntary firearm transfers out of the home during periods of elevated risk.

    These egregious “recommendations” would do virtually nothing to save anyone who was serious about committing suicide, or about committing a crime with a gun. What they would do, if codified into law, would virtually disarm the entire civilian population. This last can be found in the recommendation to ban the sale of semi-automatic rifles. NOTE: This means ALL, not some semi-autos.

    The worrisome issue here is that these people have the letters M.D. inscribed after their names, and that in itself may make some people who are on the fence about gun ownership move into the anti camp. I am afraid that even though these medics are out of touch with reality, they may still have a deleterious impact on civilian gun ownership.

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    • Many of those recommendations mirror text in the mayor’s proposed gun legislation. Shocker, not.

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      • Yes. It is almost as though the mayor and these research people one day called up the Brady outfit and said “Send us a bunch of your ideas to restrict guns.”

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    • In some communist countries they used the medical establishment to get rid of the people, in a book by Vicktor Schauberg he said that he was forced to get an annual physical to keep his pension. His companion was waiting at a coffee shop for him to finish, and when he didn’t return they went looking for him. He was in a ‘mental’ facility and they were holding him there, one of the inmates I mean patients told him to not make a scene or they would give him a shot and he’d go ‘bye bye’. He ended up getting out due to his friend making some phone calls.

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  20. Red flag: ‘Change their approach’.
    Not change their agenda.
    Gun Grabbers=useful idiots
    Liberalism is truly a mental disorder.

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  21. People need to ask themselves….just WHY are they so darn INTENT on taking everyone’s firearms?

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    • The answer, of course, is control. Throughout history, there has never been a people which, having once been disarmed, that has not then been enslaved in one fashion or another. This is not new.

      In 1609, the Japanese invaded the Ryukyu Islands (now Okinawa), and conquered the native kingdom. The first command issued to the conquered people was that all swords must be surrendered to the Japanese. The Okinawans have never regained their independence.

      On Nov. 11, 1938, the German minister of the interior issued “Regulations Against Jews Possession of Weapons.” Not only were Jews forbidden to own guns and ammunition, they couldn’t own “truncheons or stabbing weapons.” The result, of course, was the slaughter of 6 million European Jews.

      In 1911, Turkey disarmed its citizens. In short order, the Turks murdered 1.5 million defenseless Armenians. This genocide is enshrined in the Armenian national anthem.

      IN 1970, Uganda disarmed its citizens. Between then and 1980, the Ugandan authorities and military systematically killed 300,000 Christians.

      And on its goes. The British people are gradually losing whatever civil liberty they once had. After stringent firearm confiscation was passed by Parliament, additional restriction have been passed on freedom of speech, association, protest and so forth.

      That must never happen here. The right to bear arms is the right to be free.

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  22. “Seattle-King County Public Health want doctors to be more inquisitive into patient firearm access/ownership”
    And I want truly FREE Healthcare with NO cost to ANYONE,but I doubt THAT will bring the desired result either.

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  23. Just say “No.”

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  24. I remember when this came out as an issue for the doctors to ask their patients about gun ownership during the Obamacare fiasco. I thought right then, I would ask the doctor why he needed to know since I am a sane and functioning adult. The doctors have much more important things to do besides asking questions like this for gun controlling nutzo liberals.

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