Give us a break, plead Seattle’s maligned millennials

millenials vs other generations

Don’t blame millennials…they have it much tougher

From Seattle Times: Give it a rest, boomers and Xers. Millennials have heard plenty by now about how they’re just the worst generation ever.

If their detractors are to be believed, they’re entitled, narcissistic, selfie-taking, self-absorbed, “everyone gets a trophy” brats, and they’re to blame for the demise of everything from cereal, paper napkins and bar soap to chain restaurants, the diamond industry and even democracy.

So stop, please, say some Seattleites who were born between 1977 and 2004 — that’s the Millennial Generation, depending on which definition you’re using.

“It’s completely unfair,” said Ashley Krzeszowski, 24, of West Seattle. “We’ve been handed a broken system and we’re just doing the best we can.”

Krzeszowski just graduated from the University of Washington with degrees in cellular, molecular and developmental biology and applied mathematics. She has a job at the same lab she’s been working at for the last few years and yet she is still living with her parents.

No need to judge, she said; it makes “prudent financial sense” for her to do so at this time and with the cost of housing in Seattle as high as it is. “As a group, we work hard and try hard,” she said. “But when my parents bought their house, it was two times their annual income and now houses are 10 times most people’s annual salaries.”

“Give us a break,” she said. “All we’re really asking for is enough pay for our phones, treat ourselves to a cup of coffee every once in a while and buy a dress off the sale rack. Is that really too much?”

Cheryl Kaiser, a professor of psychology at the University of Washington, admires the Millennial Generation and finds her recent crops of students a “joy to teach.”

They’re creative, unrestrained by convention and willing to take risks, she said. In addition they’ve grown up in tough times and have had to be a little more scrappy than their parents. They ought not take the criticism to heart. “Each generation tends to see the new generation as not as good as their own,” she said. “You see it all the time.”

The generation we belong to is part of who we are; we share norms, values and ideologies with our age mates, she explained. “If our generation does something in a specific way or holds specific values, we come to think of those as the right way, the good way and if one generation sees another doing something different, it can feel threatening, as if there’s something wrong with their way.”

“It’s easier to blame the other group and say they’re doing it wrong than it is to question how we’re doing it,” Kaiser said.

Tim Miller, a 52-year-old musician who plays music at Westlake Park with his friend, Paul Vegors, 24, said he knows that tendency well. “It’s silly, but it’s human nature really,” Miller said. “When you are threatened or in pain, you’re going to look around for someone to blame because someone else has to be responsible.”

In a piece written for The Center for Generational Kinetics, Curt Steinhorst writes that people in his generation do not like the phrase “millennial” as it brings with it connotations of laziness and entitlement. In downtown Seattle, a dozen or so young adults who were asked about their generation seemed to confirm that.

Many flinched when asked if they were millennials and then explained why they felt they were really a bit on the young side to be held accountable for such a litany of woes: the death of golf, vacations, the 9-5 workweek and the lowly cork.

“We’re just growing up, and it’s not all our fault,” said Sandra Quiroz, 19, who works near Westlake Center.

“Don’t they know that a lot of things that are going on are not really under our control?” said Pinkeo Phongsa, a 15-year-old visitor from California who believes she is in the much-maligned generation.

“I really think that everyone is just kind of looking for a scapegoat for a lot of things,” said Angela Olson, 24. “There are things about the way society is going that seem wrong, but it’s not all millennials’ fault. We can’t really take the blame as we were made this way.”

“They don’t want to blame themselves, so they blame us,” said 25-year-old William Co, who works at a tech firm near downtown Seattle. “Every generation blames the next one,” said Rian Ellis, 27. “Given enough time we’ll be complaining about the next generation as well.”

But maybe not. Perhaps age really does bring with it a little chance for wisdom, or at least a little charity.

“You can’t really blame them,” said 69-year-old Tim Micek. “They’ve got it much tougher than we did. They get nothing but my sympathy.”


Shortly after I scheduled this post, I came across this on the Daily Mail:

Millennials aren’t ready for the ‘reality of life’ and suffer from panic attacks and anxiety problems, research finds: Millennials aren’t ready for the ‘reality of life’ and suffer from panic attacks and anxiety problems, new research has revealed.

A study of 2,000 young people preparing to start university found that many aren’t ready for the challenges of living independently. 

The research found that more than half of prospective students don’t know how to pay a bill and that many believe that nights out cost more than paying rent. Researchers said that many would-be students have been left worried and confused by the prospect of leaving home to start higher education.

The study found 61 per cent of millennials are anxious about the prospect of starting university, while 58 per cent are having trouble sleeping and 27 per cent are having panic attacks.

Millennials…just doing the best they can.

DCG

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33 responses to “Give us a break, plead Seattle’s maligned millennials

  1. Boo-Hoo-Hoo, It’s unfair. Don’t pick on me. I live with my parents because it is financially better for “ME” while living cost is to high!. If I had to pay my own rent and utilities I could not afford a new electronic toy ever few month when a newer version comes out!!! It doesn’t matter that my parents got out on their own, ate beans and rice for years to survive and save so I would be brought up better than they were. Why should have to pay them rent, chip in on food money. Mom should spend her water and laundry soap money doing “MY” laundry for me so I won’t have to do it. I shouldn’t have to help around the house, cut the grass so my aged father doesn’t have a heat stroke doing the yard work. My parent OWE it ALL to me because they brought me into this world. I didn’t ask to be born– so there! And to top it off I know how to make them feel like they owe me so I don’t have to GROW UP and become an adult. BTY mommy, my diapers are wet so I need changed NOW!

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  2. SATELLITES [from Seattle?] millennials are nothing but spoiled brats, voltures, living off their parents and finding excuses for not stepping out and making it on their own -it’s all been handed to them on a silver platter. If they inherited a broken system, why wait for others to fix it -make your contribution instead go and make it better for those less fortunate. Fight for your country and not let the Bernie Sanders inject their socialism you have been taught in class.

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  3. Concur…

    “Millennials might as well be ‘Generation Hopeless’,” by Shannon Molloy, news.com.au via New York Post, 4 Jul 2017
    http://nypost.com/2017/07/04/millennials-might-as-well-be-generation-hopeless/

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  4. First of all…

    >>… “Pinkeo Phongsa, a 15-year-old visitor from California who believes she is in the much-maligned generation.”

    Pinkeo, eh? California, huh? Need I say more?

    >>… “Give us a break,” she said. “All we’re really asking for is enough pay for our phones, treat ourselves to a cup of coffee every once in a while and buy a dress off the sale rack. Is that really too much?”

    No, give ME a break! Sell your phone and buy some good books with the money. I can recommend many good books, none of which your teachers would approve of.

    Treat yourself to a cup of coffee every once in awhile? You freaking LIVE in Starbucks, home of the $8. cup of coffee!

    A dress off the “sale rack”? Are you still wearing dresses? But isn’t that identifying as a female? And isn’t that offensive to someone, somewhere?

    Sounds to me like a millennial needs her “Safe Space”.

    ~ D-FensDogG
    [Link:) Ferret-Faced Fascist Friends

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    • For Heck sakes . . . you don’t even have to buy books . . . visit your county library, get a library card, utilize the library, somebody paid the property taxes out of which the library system (at least in Portland, OR is financed through.)

      I could not agree more regarding the $8.00 designer cups of coffee. Nobody “needs” designer coffee . . . I think many people purchase Starbucks because they feel they have “arrived, they are part of the in-crowd who can afford to purchase” this absurdly priced coffee.

      Since we now have a generation of poor people who spend 40% of their family income on luxury items . . . this tells me we now have generational insanity!

      Anyone who is looking at “who they are going to leave their monies, property, etc. to after their death” needs to think long and hard at those of might inherit from them. I inherited from my parents, some of which was based on what they inherited from my paternal grandparents . . . these people did not indulge themselves in purchasing “designer coffee,” and every conceivable electronic gadget that hit the market. Frankly, since I never married, and have no children that might expect to inherit from me, I am looking long and hard at my nieces, nephews, to see how they manage their own funds . . . I have NO INTENTION of leaving my wealth, whether it be that which I created, or that which I inherited to those who can do no better than piss it away on designer coffee and the latest of electronics. I am currently writing my own will, and I want funds to go to those who can and will utilize it as a stepping stone to prosper themselves and their children, not as a means of entertaining themselves. If I wanted “entertainment” I could just as well squander my monies on myself.

      Having been born right after WWII, my father worked, and my mother stayed home and raised the four of us. In about 1955 my grandfather purchased a TV set, it stayed at our house for several months (so that us kids would get hooked on it,) and then it was moved to his house so that we could have something to do when we went the eight blocks to his home to visit him. After his death in 1956, it was moved back to our house. There were times when the TV went on the blink, my parents did not RUSH to call the TV repairman (back in those days people repaired their electronic devices–whereas today, we just throw them away, and purchase a new one.) I even remember a time, in the early 1950’s when on an evening we would take a walk up into the uptown business area of St. Johns . . . it was exciting to walk by Galloway’s Electric because they had a television set in their window, and we would stop for a while and wonder over how magnificent an invention it was. I feel a certain sorrow for today’s young people, I doubt that they have any experience in their current lives that allows them to personally feel the wonderment that we felt all those years ago standing in front of Galloway’s Electric and viewing the magnificence that was a television set.

      This article states . . . “You can’t blame them,” said 69 year old Tim Micek. “They’ve got it much tougher than we did. They get nothing but sympathy from me.” I am only 1.5 years older than Mr Micek, but obviously he must have been born to people who were wealthier than the family I was born into. I picked berries, and beans when I was a pre-teen, and spend my summer’s baby-sitting to earn money. Other kids in my neighborhood also worked similar jobs. I can say of a certainty that we did not have designer athletic shoes that cost in excess of a hundred dollars, yet for some years now young people have EXPECTED to live lives of relative ease, and to have clothing, and electronics that other generations only dreamed of. I fail to understand why Mr Micek thinks todays young people “have it tougher than we did!” The only way I can feel sympathy towards today’s young people is that NOTHING IS EXPECTED OF THEM, and everything is given to them. This is also evident in the way our government doles out Welfare. There is no shame in being poor, after all the poor have every right to live off the labor of those who do work, and they have every right to live at a level that those who do work, and I some cases they live lives of greater ease, with more goodies than do many of those who do work. {Sarc}

      Unfortunately, far too many of today’s young people were given trophy’s for “just showing up,” they did not have to put their should to the wheel so to speak. What a pitiful legacy we, as society, have left these poor unwitting young people. They will never experience the joy of true success based on personal work and achievement.

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  5. Gi = GO… Look no further than the Govn’t Controled – NEA-Union run De-Education System of America for the past 40+ years.. The “Dumbing Down” of America is now feeding on itself & has become self-perpetuating.. i-e = The already dumbed down educators are now training our children from their own already “dumb-down” levels & perspectives. Put another way = “The Dumb are teaching – the Gonna be even Dumber.

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  6. What do the Boomers of FOTM think about:

    the claim that homes are now 10X annual income instead of 2X? True or false?
    That even with a $200,000 college degree, Millenials cannot find a job that pays enough that they can afford to raise a traditional, single-income family?
    That unlike in the 70s, there are today virtually no unskilled jobs that pay well enough that even with both parents working a family has a chance at a middle class life?
    That the Greatest Generation (Boomers’ parents) was the one that voted in the traitors who opened the floodgates to mass Third World immigration, which you didn’t have to compete against because you were already well on your way to decent careers?
    That you all grew up when America was still 90% White, and you weren’t discriminated against for being White?
    That your generation rejected Christianity wholesale, which permitted almost every Godless leftist philosophy that this site rails against to replace Biblical morals?

    Not only have Millenials (who I struggle to love) inherited a crap society, they’ve never even SEEN a healthy society modeled, and they’ve been brainwashed by you and your children to believe that every society before Woodstock was an evil, racist, heartless cesspool of patriarchy. Can you blame them for not running to Ward and June Cleaver’s living room?

    And yet you are surprised when they don’t realize how lucky they are to be Millenials, and when they don’t turn to you (their mockers) for advice.

    Boomers grew up in a golden age (you could even say an “entitled” age), then squandered what they were given, let their country rot, and invited hostile forces to invade it…but your destitute grandchildren who have only a fraction of the opportunity you did–they are what ails society today.

    Am I hearing you correctly?

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    • A little more context: a $200K student loan, if paid back in the standard 10 years, will entail a monthly AFTER TAXES payment of about $1,350.

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    • A little more context. I live in a major metropolis known to be one of the most affordable big cities in America.

      Rent for a one-bedroom apartment in a non-seedy part of town: $1100 plus utilities.
      Cost of owning, maintaining, insuring, and fueling a very modest car: $500
      Mandatory health insurance that doesn’t cover the first $6500 per year of medical bills: $150-$500
      Groceries, not including any eating out: $300
      Clothing, household goods, and sundries: $50
      Coin-operated laundry: $30
      Tenant’s insurance: $10-$20
      Various vision and dental needs (assuming no cavities or major work needed): $20
      Phone: $100

      Total bills each month for a SINGLE adult with no children, no eating out, no entertainment, no cable or internet (except on the phone), no interest on any credit card debt, no student loans, no vacations or trips, and no emergency expenditures: $2260-$2620 per month.

      That’s an annual [after taxes] income of $27K to $32K, which requires about $31K to $36K before taxes, or $15 to $18 per hour, at 40 hours per week.

      Tell me again how easy the kids have it these days?

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      • I know LAWYERS in the town I described above, who work in what can best be described as sweatshops (they don’t even get cubicles, let alone offices) for $19 per hour, no benefits, no overtime, and no guarantee that they won’t be laid off at a moment’s notice. Most of them are in their 40s and 50s,with spouses and children. Many are still paying off student loans, they require 2 or 3 bedrooms instead of 1, and their other bills are all higher, especially medical, and just to keep their law licenses current is another $100 per month.

        Lawyers. They gave up seven years of earnings and spent six figures to go to school for $19 an hour at what’s basically a temp job. In an city where even a single adult can’t survive for less than $15 to $18 an hour full-time.

        Look how privileged they are.

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        • Long ago, I had advised students who said they wanted to be lawyers, that it is not a good idea because the U.S. already has a surfeit of lawyers.

          http://www.wisegeek.org/what-percent-of-the-us-population-do-lawyers-comprise.htm

          “According to the American Bar Association there are currently 1,116,967 lawyers practicing in the United States. That is approximately one for every 300 people, or approximately 0.36% of the total population. These statistics relate only to those currently practicing and maintaining their licenses. There are far more with inactive or retired status.”

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          • P.S. The plight Jurist described is certain to worsen. Robots not only are taking over unskilled jobs, such as the fast food industry, they will also begin to make inroads into even skilled occupations, such as law and medicine. In truth, the high salaries commanded by many attorneys are high because the legal profession is in effect a trade guild. Once robots break into the monopolistic guild, those sky-high salaries will tumble.

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      • Whoops, I forgot to add utilities to my above calculations. Add another $150 per month for gas, electricity, and water. That’s another $1800 per year before taxes, or an extra $1.75 per hour before taxes that the person must make.

        Re-totaled wage requirements for a person to live in a safe neighborhood but not enjoy a single luxury:

        $16.75 to $19.75 per hour, full time. On a high school diploma.

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      • There ya go-try THAT on $1050.00 per Month,then try getting work with a liveable wage when you’re 62 years along. Even my knowledge of the Tire service industry is worthless these days;Tire shops don’t WANT their kids (Yeah-they average 18-30 years old.) to know how to do things RIGHT-they want them to do things FAST,and quality matters not a bit.

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    • “the claim that homes are now 10X annual income instead of 2X? True or false?” Depends upon where you live.

      “That even with a $200,000 college degree, Millenials cannot find a job that pays enough that they can afford to raise a traditional, single-income family?” Depends upon where you live and your chosen profession.

      As for the rest of your opinion, that’s yours.

      “…why they should be hopeful?” Because they live in America, have their whole lives ahead of them, and life is what you make of it. Optimism is a much better outlook than pessimism.

      It’s a nice sunny day outside and I’m not inclined to debate every single opinion you offered today. I’m done with my errands for today and am going to grab a book, sit outside, and enjoy life!

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      • I’m just your friendly neighborhood “let’s make sure both sides of the story are told” man. It saddens me to see so much blame being passed around, on both sides of the aisle, and so little solution being offered. Thanks for replying.

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        • I have seen stats that Millennials are more frugal because they personally experienced the 2008 recession economic collapse. And yes, Boomers had it good. But, as you yourself counseled against over-generalization, not all Boomers are spoiled and selfish. President Trump is a boomer! 😀

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          • Of course not all Boomers are like that-FOTM is here, isn’t it? 😀

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          • That’s the problem with all this pigeon-holing, they’re trying to get everyone to fight against one another, as they (NWO) continue to destroy the world and enslave it. We’re all too busy fighting the wrong things- they’re using the muslim hordes to get the attention off of the real problems.

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  7. I’d be GLAD to give ’em a break-just as soon as they can show they have brains and common sense……

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  8. I suppose that its good that some of them may be reevaluating their future. I can attest to the fact that where I am in life now is not where I thought I’d be back when.

    In my generation the thought was that, if you worked hard, you could retire at a reasonable age and enjoy the rest of your life. I’ve retired twice now. If there’s a lesson in that I’d say that its never trust the advertising.

    While I could clearly see the changes that resulted in workers being worse off then their parents, nobody seemed to want to do anything about it. Americans, especially, are prone to the belief that business has no responsibility to anyone. I don’t share that philosophy.

    Reciprocal loyalty would certainly be an improvement, forced or voluntary. When we lost the family-owned businesses in favor of corporations, we lost a lot more.

    College should never have been about “jobs’. Those have become businesses that don’t deliver on their overpriced promises. They are now ticket-punch machines that give you your lottery ticket and you take your chances.

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  10. As Eric Blair (George Orwell) once said, “Every generation imagines itself to be more intelligent than the one that went before it, and wiser than the one that comes after it.”
    This is all planned by the Wreck a fellow Global Company. They are the reason this is happening. Wages are not what they once were. In the 70’s even, my DH said that his neighbor worked at Kroeger’s in the bakery department and made 28 bucks an hour! And this was in the 70’s!! Manufacturing was destroyed thanks to Rockefellers and their ilk. Think ‘Global trade’, NAFTA and all the other permutations. This is all planned people. There are very few ‘good’ paying jobs out there, especially when one sees that a college degree is a total flippin’ JOKE. Even the dirt ball universities that offer these useless programs don’t even honor them- after I got my useless B.S. degree I couldn’t even get a bottom of the barrel Research 1 position. And, on their own website for employment, they were paying a janitor supervisor over 1 K more than a genetics researcher 4 with a degree and 1 year genetics experience! My DH made sure to yell that to a group of prospective students and their parents when he spied them on campus one day.

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