Planned Evacuation of 18 Gulf Coast Cities

“The greatest sins are the sins of silence in the face of evil. The action of a prophet is not to prophesy an event that can’t be changed. It’s to prophesy pathways and timelines that you can then decide because you are co-creators of your own future. By bringing these things to light is not to bring terror to the people, but to bring control, to bring a sense of empowerment to everyone who reads this.”

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For more than a week now, there are whispers of an eventual mass evacuation from the Gulf coast. (See HERE, for example.) Now the Wayne Madsen Report has joined the chorus.

The Wayne Madsen Report (WMR) is a mainly subscription news site ($7/month for “individual reader” subscribers) that claims to provide news ”from deep inside the Washington beltway.” Its editor is Wayne Madsen, a Washington, DC-based investigative journalist, former Navy officer, author and syndicated columnist, with an impressive c.v. Last month, WMR had broken the Obama gay club membership story.

His for-subcribers report today is profoundly disturbing. Madsen’s sources in the federal government are telling him that a 200-mile radius “dead zone” is developing from the damaged BP oil well in the Gulf of Mexico, which threatens the lives of all marine and land animals, plants, and humans. Due to methane and toxic rain containing the poisonous Corexit oil dispersant, plans are in place for the mass evacuation of New Orleans, Baton Rouge, Mandeville, Hammond, Houma, Belle Chase, Chalmette, Slidell, Biloxi, Gulfport, Pensacola, Hattiesburg, Mobile, Bay Minette, Fort Walton Beach, Panama City, Crestview, and Pascagoula.


Government insiders: Get ready for the Gulf “dead zone”

Wayne Madsen Report – June 23, 2010

Bad news concerning the Gulf oil disaster continues to come from WMR’s federal government sources in the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) and the US Army Corps of Engineers. Emergency planners are dealing with a prospective “dead zone”  within a 200 mile radius from the Deepwater Horizon disaster datum in the Gulf.

A looming environmental and population displacement disaster is brewing in the Gulf. The oil dispersant used by BP, Corexit 9500, is seen by FEMA sources as mixing with evaporated water from the Gulf and absorbed by rain clouds producing toxic precipitation that threatens to kill all marine and land animals, plant life, and humans within a 200-mile radius of the Deepwater Horizon disaster site in the Gulf. Adding to the worries of FEMA and the Corps of Engineers is the large amounts of methane that are escaping from the cavernous grotto of oil underneath the Macondo drilling area of Gulf of Mexico.

On a recent visit to the Gulf coast, President Obama vowed that the Gulf coast will “return to normal.” However, federal officials dealing with the short- and long-term impact of the oil disaster report that the “dead zone” created by a combination of methane gas and Corexit toxic rain will force the evacuation and long-term abandonment of cities and towns within the 200-mile radius of the oil volcano.

Plans are being put in place for the mandatory evacuation of New Orleans, Baton Rouge, Mandeville, Hammond, Houma, Belle Chase, Chalmette, Slidell, Biloxi, Gulfport, Pensacola, Hattiesburg, Mobile, Bay Minette, Fort Walton Beach, Panama City, Crestview, and Pascagoula.

The toxic rain from the Gulf is expected to poison fresh water reservoirs and lakes, streams, and rivers, which will also have a disastrous impact on agriculture and livestock, as well as drinking water, in the affected region.

FEMA officials also claim that the $20 billion compensation fund set aside by BP is not nearly enough to offset the costs of the disaster. The FEMA sources say the disaster will cost well in excess of $1 trillion, and likely closer to $2-3 trillion.

End of Wayne Madsen Report

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Here’s a map of the Gulf showing what 50-200 miles from the Gulf coast (not a 200-miles radius from the roiling oil volcano) looks like, drawn by darkelf of The red is 50 miles inland, yellow is 100 miles inland and green is 200 miles inland. Click map to enlarge.

H/t beloved Fellow May.


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66 responses to “Planned Evacuation of 18 Gulf Coast Cities

  1. This is interesting—My son is in Pascagoula. The Navy has commissioned a new ship to be constructed and he is part of the crew that will man it. It will be interesting to see if the ship is completed before the evac or will he be sent somewhere else while the idiot in DC gets advice from his bosses, whomever they might be.


  2. This is amazing. What is really amazing is how we allow any company to drill that deep in our Gulf. No one was thinking ahead of what could happen.

    I am sitting here thinking of all the possibilities of how this whole thing will affect the people in the area and where they will move. It is sad.


    • This is very sad….and strange as to what this means for the future. Where are those citizens going to go? What of their property?

      I find is amazing that Obama wants a moratium on deep shore drilling yet loans $2B to Brazil for them to continue their deep shore drilling. Doesn’t add up…


  3. This thing is getting out of hand now, folks. Our family is in several of the above listed towns. What the hell is Barry up to??????


  4. Can you say FEMA camps.

    You know, the one’s we were told weren’t really in existence.




  5. Our family actually has a good bit of land in Hattiesburg that has been in our family for generations. Were holding onto it since it runs right beside the mall and a new “restaurant row”. So much for selling it now!


  6. Well, we have already lost most of our living because of the lack of tourists. We are working hard not to lose our homes. Now we will be forced to move also? Very nice. Thanks BP!


  7. WOW, I’m amazed at the FUD (fear, uncetainty and doubt) created by a blog report. To date, the beaches are still being visited by tourists with no real problems. The natural cylical water process doesn’t pick up oil, just water. This is not going to cause toxic rain. Don’t be subjected to FUD created to try and make Obama look bad; he does a pretty good job of that himself without ridiculous claims like this WordPress blog.


    • Brad,

      So kind of you to drop by and badmouth this blog. What I’m doing is REPORTING. I neither seek to incite nor can I control emotions of FUD on the part of readers. By your logic, reporters on stories about earthquakes, storms, floods, an approaching asteroid, are also inciting FUD.

      My motto: Knowledge is power. Expect the worst, hope for the best. Pray for God’s mercy.


      • Chad Myers, Dayton, OH

        Oh Brad, go to youtube and type in raining oil in Louisiana. You will see that the water cycle DOES in fact pick upu the oil AND the COREXIT Chemical is already burning holes in crops. Get your facts right! Forget Fear and Doubt.. you’re just UNCERTAIN.. 🙂 Have a great day of enlightenment….


    • brad,

      you are wrong. the heat of the gulf area will cause parts of the oil to evaporate. read here, and he cites a govt website to back it up:


    • another bp paid disinfo agent 35 dollars an hours to lie for that usuper


  8. I believe reporting, at its best, is to be clear, concise and accurate. By you logic storms, flood and approaching asteroids are related to oil spills/disasters in what way? They could no be any more dissimilar. This link should help you understand the water cycle better and perhaps educate the readers of this blog as to why evaporationand condensation will not cause this toxic rain:


    • Have you even looked at other posts on this blog? It’s not just about toxic rain. There’s also the matter of methane.

      I try my best to report information that the MSM won’t cover. I try to always be responsible by citing and providing links to my sources. If you disagree with the reports, attack my sources instead of attacking me. In the case of Gulf evacuation, my source is Wayne Madsen Report. Attack him.

      I don’t make a dime from this blog but work on it 7 days a week out of a sense of duty. I do not appreciate being slimed, maligned, and have my motives impugned by you, who judges me without even bothering to get to know this blog.

      Furthermore, you embedded a link to your online business in your alias “Brad.” So on top of insulting me, you are using me. You should be ashamed of yourself. Your embedded links have been erased. Fellowship is an ad-free blog, and the last thing I’d allow is to enable links to the business of someone who insults me.


  9. Look, if they are going to evacuate Hattiesburg, then there will be more than 18 cities.. if this story is true. Hattiesburg is in the interior of Mississippi. And why wouldn’t evacuations include Navarre, and destin Fla.. They are nearer Pensacola than Ft. Walton. Did anyone mention any of the little towns between Palquemine, and Mobile, like Ocean Springs, or Waveland, or any of the other small towns along the gulf? NO!
    I see discrepancies.


    • linda,

      they cannot mention every little town. so they mention the large ones and i’d guess that you can bet the rest of the area will have to go, too.


  10. Leaking well is 150 miles offshore. If your saying 200 mile radius, thats 50 miles inland.
    Please explain.


    • Bruce,

      There is much confusion about this matter. Somehow, Wayne Madsen Report’s 200-mi radius of “dead zone” in the waters of the Gulf is confused with a 200-mi radius mass evacuation of humans from the Gulf coast.

      The original WMR, which I reproduced in this post, said the following:

      WM’s sources within the federal govt (FEMA & the US Army Corps of Engineers) told him the govt believes that:
      1. A “dead zone” is developing in the waters of the Gulf, the extent of which is a 200-mi radius from the busted BP oil well.
      2. The govt has plans for the mass evacuation of 18 Gulf coast towns & cities, which WM named.

      The Report did NOT say that there are plans for mass evacuation from a 200-mi radius area from the epicenter of the oil well.

      I’ve e-mailed WM for clarification and will report back if and when I get an answer!


  11. I live in the area and have not heard a word of any of this. Some of those towns are very far inland.


  12. Hey, nice blog !

    hope u keep it up with reporting.
    sorry for my bad english-



  13. Brad-

    Petrochemicals in crude oil do evaporate with warm enough conditions. Perfect for the gulf.


  14. I have no doubt that the Government has been working on plans for a mass evacuation. It would be severely negligent of them not to “plan for the worst, hope for the best. However, the massive chaos on all levels that would ensue from such an occurrence is staggering. It would take an event of epic proportions for them to even try and move forward with a plan like this. That is what makes me believe that these plans would be a “survivors plan”, after the fact. Worst case scenarios abound. Let’s not pick them over and suppose. I live just east of Mobile. I am well aware of the various problems that might befall us. This is by no means a criticism of this information as it is important that all pertinent information is reported regardless. Of course people are still being invited to the coast. To do otherwise would raise questions. All I can say is that when the power goes out, the earth shakes and you hear a rumble in the distance, it will be time to pray.


  15. Might I ask why you included the map “Drawn by darkelf of” in your blog entry if it was not related to the WM report — two conflicting scenarios?
    Thanks Brad for serving as a catalyst. Things are bad enough without the sensationalism.


    • Because I’ve seen no other maps. I pointed out in my post that darkelf’s map is NOT the same as WMR’s 200-mi radius “dead zone.” I also have a mind that thinks and reasons. And my rational faculties tell me that contamination of water and air is not restricted to the area around the busted oilwell epicenter. Winds and worst of all, hurricanes, bring contaminated air beyond the epicenter. Factor in the other nightmare scenario, which I haven’t even addressed on Fellowship of the Minds, of an underwater methane explosion, then darkelf’s map makes more and more sense.


  16. Well, this has been interesting. I thank the contributors who give me things to consider in making decisions on my own behalf. Here is what I am wondering right now. If there is this much bickering going on in something as simple as a blog, what do you think is going to happen when the S really does hit the fan in any form? Basically, what I am seeing is preparedness, whether it is for an evacuation due to a hurricane, as Katrina—where the nation and the victims were all caught with their pants down around their ankles, or toxic fumes that could cause health risk, or any kind of disaster be it man made or natural. We all need to have some sort of plan of action to be able to handle these types of situations and this information is just being laid out there as resource and not the gospel.


  17. The oil fumes are dangerous and methane displaces oxygen, oil fires are causing toxic clouds
    To stay healthy move to a better location
    You all have already seen dead fish
    Exxon Vadez cleanup crews are still suffering


  18. Wayne Madsen is an idiot if you’ve read his latest “article” he has said that the CEMA (which is actually called Cal EMA) has been notified of a gulf coast states evacuation….I call bullshit. Why? Because I called Cal EMA myself 916-845-8911 and spoke to the emergency management directly and they said there is no such evacuation. Additionally I spoke to Jay Allan the Director of Communications at Cal EMA for Public Crisis and he said this is bogus they have NOT been informed of such an evacuation and lastly I called the Coastal Region of Cal EMA and spoke to a Coast Guard Officer and he said no there is no such evacuation. So, I would be careful blogging on something from Wayne anymore he obviously forgot to take his meds!


    • Dani,

      I appreciate your taking the initiative to try to verify Wayne Madsen’s report, although it’s highly unnecessary, not to mention just plain nasty, to call him an idiot.

      Indeed, the California Emergency Management Agency is abbreviated to Cal Ema, and not CEMA as Madsen calls it. I’ve left a comment on WMR’s Daily Chat Blog for his subscribers about that, as well as your phonecalls to Cal EMA and the agency’s denial of such an evacuation. I also wrote this in my comment: “Mr. Madsen needs to name his sources instead of expecting his subscribers & readers to simply take his word.”

      In the end, this lamentable state of affairs we find ourselves in is due ENTIRELY to BP’s media blackout and our government’s complicit silence on a matter that is vital to the interests and wellbeing of millions of Gulf coast residents. In the absence of official and credible news/info, we can only turn to the alternate new media that, alas, may or may not be true.


  19. Thank you! While an evacuation may or may not happen, it’s not his place to instill fear in others needlessly by fabricating such stories. Sounds to me like he’s just another attention whore!


    • Dani,

      At this point I’m not prepared to say that Madsen fabricated the story. He does have solid credentials and an impressive resume as investigative reporter & author, as well as many sources within government. It is also possible that the people you spoke to at Cal Ema weren’t telling the truth. Consider this: If the federal govt is not yet ready to make public mass evacuation plans, then state EMAs can hardly be expected to make known those plans, would they?

      Regardless, what is important in our times is that Gulf coast residents be aware and be prepared for the worst case scenario, which includes evacuation. Have a plan. Do you have relatives or friends who can take you in? If you must leave, what will you take? And always, be informed.


      • This is the response I got from Wayne Madsen:

        “My style, as explicitly stated on the home page of WMR. is in the manner of Drew Pearson and Jack Anderson. For those not familiar with their Washington Merry-go-Round syndicated column and Jack’s later appearances on ABC’s GMA, they broke scandal after scandal without ever revealing their inside sources. That is why they had so many sources and the government would have dearly loved to have had those names as well, since Anderson was the target of a possible Nixon administration assassination plot.

        As for California’s emergency management agency, I’m well aware that the state puts Cal in front of everything but acronyms are trivial — does one send letters through the USPS or the US Postal Service? Does the Supreme Court call itself SCOTUS? Others do, however.

        The source on this nationwide briefing is impeccable but to reveal the person would to burn the source and he would fall prey to the corporate media provocateurs and their harassment. And since the Washington Post or ABC News does not share their sources with me, I’m not about to share mine with them. We are simply not on the same team with them.”


        Madsen, like all reporters, have the right NOT to reveal his sources. In effect, Madsen is no different than the MSM reporters who, put impolitely, essentially ask us to “take their words” that their sources are credible and what they report is true. And look how reliable and “objective” the MSM reporters are! What somewhat troubles me is that, unlike when he was a reporter for the major news organizations where owners and editors functioned as a check-and-balance, Madsen is now an independent stringer who answers to noone except the “law” of the market (i.e., his subscribers). In the end, we have only Madsen’s reputation and resume, which is impressive, to go on.

        MY CONCLUSION: I do not believe Madsen was lying or as Dani put it, “fabricating” his reports on Gulf evacuation plans. Why? Because:
        1. There are others saying the same thing.
        2. Madsen has solid credentials as an investigative reporter and he’s not going to be so stupid as to risk them now.

        That being said, some of his subscribers “serve” him poorly.

        Yesterday, I had “vigorous” exchanges on WMR’s June 29 Daily Chat Blog with some of his fiercely loyal subscribers, who behaved like attack dogs because I merely presented Dani’s critique. The non-sequitur jumping-to-conclusions and ad hominem character assassinations were stunning. I was immediately accused of being “a government disinformation shill” who trusts only “brain-dead MSM agitprop” — which is hilarious given what I do everyday here on the Fellowship. Their conduct was unseemly. They have become Madsen groupies, much as rock stars attract groupies. What I find amusing is that groupies not only give their idols their mindless and uncritical adoration, they pay for the “privilege.”

        There are sheeple everywhere, in every group, even those who imagine they are iconoclastic and think “outside of the box.” Sad….


  20. Dani, don’t bite the messenger just yet. Madsen is not the only one reporting this same thing.

    Frankly, no one really knows what is going to happen, especially long term. And I think it is prudent to be prepared for any eventuality. I learned this over the years in earthquake prone Alaska, and Typhoon prone Philippines.


  21. @Linda please cite other reports “this same thing”. Who? Where can we find it?


  22. What is Barry up to? I will tell you. It is very simple. BHO is a classic narcissist. One of the greatest fears of any narcissist is being discovered and revealed to be a fraud. BHO knows that his veneer is coming off and he is being exposed for the incompetent he is. So, he needs to find a way to stay in office and keep the elections in 2010 from ever happening. What better way to do this than to declare Martial Law. Once ML is declared, the pesky Constitution (which BHO loathes) is suspended, along with all of our civil rights. ELections are suspended, the internet can be closed down. You name it. This disaster was created so that BHO would be the last American President and the first American Dictator. Nuff Said.


  23. Linda,

    I already read those articles you posted prior to even writing my first comment. Again, the evacuations being talked about are simply a statement made by these people, they are not fact and not confirmed by anyone in authority to actually put an evacuation in place. So those articles do not impress me as fact. However, once again, I’m not saying that at some point there will or won’t be an evacuation. My whole point in entering into this topic was the fact Wayne made a statement that he presented as factual and when I contacted Cal Ema they said they have not heard of such an evacuation. I’m basing my personal opinion off of factual evidence and until Wayne says something that he can back up with facts, it’s going to be just his opinion as well. Additionally, if all three people I contacted at Cal ema yesterday lied to me as was implied here on the board, then shame on them but until that can even be proven then such comment was just an opinion as well. To go off of others thoughts and opinions regarding this oil spill, will surely have us all going mad!! Will somebody cough up some facts already!!


    • I’m with you Dani. Give us supportable facts. Love this (f/the WP article):
      But … the discussion has been hijacked by people who don’t know what they’re talking about.
      “There is a lot of fast talk, which has little relation sometimes to reality … there is jumping to conclusions … they don’t know.”

      Isn’t in the class of internet sensationalism?


      • You were not asking me, but I want to simply say YES. He is a sensationalist. The guy has ZERO credibility. Virtually nothing I have ever seen on his web site had legs…so the fact that Rense may be talking this up is almost proof positive that there may be nothing to it. I am glad you pointed this out. This almost makes me feel better 🙂 Hehehe


  24. I forgot to add that Wayne IS the only one saying that Cal Ema was notified of such evacuations so where are you getting that “he’s not the only one saying these things”? I think you are speaking about evacuations in general, again, my first comment was specifically pointing out he said an agency was notified and NOT regarding evacuations specifically.


    • I appreciate your skepticism. You sound reasonable to me 🙂 However, I tend to think that a mass evacuation of 20 million people will not be announced – to anyone – until AFTER Martial Law is declared, which would have to happen in order to force the evacuation. I am far from an expert, so do NOT slam me. I am just offering an “opinion”, but I know that if a mass evacuation was planned it cannot be carried off without first declaring Martial Law.


      • Tim,

        Your reasoning is compelling: There’s no way the govt would announce a mass evacuation unless Martial Law is declared and enforced first. To do otherwise is to invite CHAOS on a scale that’s unimaginable. Until (or if) that happens, no government agency at whatever level (national, state, municipal) would publicly verify these rumors. However, those with a conscience will try to get the word out as “confidential sources” to reporters such as Madsen who are not employed by the MSM and therefore not subject to their constraints.

        Regardless, as I’ve said here before, PRUDENCE counsels those living in the Gulf coast to be prepared with back-up plans. You don’t want to wait UNTIL Martial Law and mass evacuation are declared because then it’s the authorities who will be calling the shots. (no pun intended)


  25. I would also point out that Jack Kinsella is not given to rumors or hoaxes. He is mirroring all of this on his post found here:

    Kinsella is known for vetting his information before saying anything. He would not be quoting Simmons unless he had done some independent checking on his own. Kinsella is coming to the same conclusion I came to – that this whole disaster was planned. Could all of us be wrong? Yeah. And if so, the joke is on us and everyone we warned. However, NONE of this is too far fetched not to be take seriously.


  26. No one is asking anyone to believe any of this as fact.

    My earlier statement that it’s prudent to be prepared for any eventuality. I have some experience with that. Preparedness never harmed anyone. But not being prepared can.
    Even a cynic and skeptic like me can see the sense in that.

    If some of YOU are so all fired skeptical of this article or any others like it, I would like to know why the heck do you even come into rooms of this kind? You know darned good and well what is posted in these rooms is more often than not, a little out of the way.

    Maybe you believe some of this just a little bit?



  27. Linda

    This article , however linked to a different site, was emailed to me by a colleague. I only came into this site to let people know that what Wayne was saying about Cal Ema was inaccurate…period.


    • Dani,

      You’ve used the Fellowship to AMPLY make your point. I now politely ask you to stop arguing and dissing people who disagree with you — including Madsen. Yes, the 3 Cal EMA people you spoke with denied evacuation plans. And I and others have also said until the feds announce mass evacuation, state agencies can hardly be expected to say those plans exist. To do so publicly would mean they’ll be fired.

      You’ve made your point. We get it. Protracting this means you and others will just repeat yourselves. There are other more fruitful ways to spend our time.

      Thank you.


  28. My original e-mail pointed out that evacuations would include very much more than 18 cities. I dont’ know why Hattiesburg was even included, since it is about 85 miles fro Biloxion the coast. Place like Pass Christian, Waveland and others were not even mentioned, as well as Navarre which is between Pensacola and Destin and Ft Walton.


  29. There is NO arugment. This is the look whose talking department. nuf said


  30. Here’s a video made recently featuring Kindra Arneson who is from Plaquemine Parish, La. What she relates to the people in this meeting will lmake your blood boil. She and people like her are having their lives destroyed.
    Those BP officials must have thought: “She’s an ignorant woman and we’ll blow smoke up her butt, and she won’t even know it.” Why else would they allow her to see and hear all this?

    This whole thing with BP and our federal government smells very very bad.


  31. Eowyn, great , I am glad to know that this video is going to get a lot of exposure!!!


  32. Carolyn Casterline

    I don’t doubt that is a major disaster. If you study the Bible, it is believable.


  33. Ok, ok, ok…….

    This is a country that has a leader that has spent his time socializing instead of on the world’s worst ecological disaster. Declined help from all over the world. The globe’s health is in his hands and he is doing SFA with no excuse, explanation or apology.

    And people are bickering over where the ‘hard facts’ of an evacuation plan are? Are you serious??

    The oil is vomiting out of the earth daily. Between the oil, methane & corexit, that area will have to be evacuated at some point. Makes the use of FEMA camps more and more plausible. And this world more and more like the twilight zone…..


  34. Ferzine, I can’t speak for the others, but I agree, we are f”””’d.


  35. Here is an Material Safety Data Sheet for Corexit 9500.

    This does not support the claims of Mr. Madsen.


    • I have no idea what you mean by “this does not support the claims of Madsen.” But if what you mean is that Corexit 9500 is safe, then you are either illiterate or a mouthpiece of BP & Nalco. The following is from my post of June 11, “BP Poisons Gulf with Deadly Oil Dispersant“:

      The EPA has identified the 2-butoxyethanol in Corexit to be a causal agent in the health problems experienced by cleanup workers after the 1989 Exxon Valdez oil spill of respiratory, nervous system, liver, kidney and blood disorders. Read about Corexit from the EPA:

      According to the Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS), Corexit 9500‘s “potential human bazard is: High.” It can cause central nervous system depression; nausea; unconsciousness; liver, kidney damage; and red blood cell hemolysis with repeated or prolonged exposure through inhalation or ingestion.

      Here is what the MSDS for Corexit EC9500A says about Accidental Release Measures:

      Restrict access to area as appropriate until clean-up operations are complete. Ensure clean-up is conducted by trained personnel only. Ventilate spill area if possible. Do not touch spilled material. Remove sources of ignition.

      Stop or reduce any leaks if it is safe to do so. Have emergency equipment (for fires, spills, leaks, etc.) readily available. Use personal protective equipment recommended in Section 8 (Exposure Controls/Personal Protection). Notify appropriate government, occupational health and safety and environmental authorities.

      If significant mists, vapors or aerosols are generated an approved respirator is recommended. An organic vapor cartridge with dust/mist prefilter or supplied air may be used. In event of emergency or planned entry into unknown concentrations a positive pressure, full-facepiece SCBA should be used. If respiratory protection is required, institute a complete respiratory protection program including selection, fit testing, training, maintenance and inspection.

      Nitrile gloves, Viton# gloves, Polyvinyl alcohol gloves

      Wear impervious apron and boots.

      Wear chemical splash goggles.

      Keep an eye wash fountain available. Keep a safety shower available. If clothing is contaminated, remove clothing and thoroughly wash the affected area. Launder contaminated clothing before reuse.


  36. Eowyn,

    So happens I 35+ years of experience in dealing with hazardous materials.

    You need to go read the MSDS sheet for yourself rather than rely on an article in Fellowship of the Minds. Those safety precautions you list are pretty typical for a good many chemicals, many that you use everyday.

    Here is what the MSD sheet for Dawn detergent says:

    The MSD sheet for WATER includes:
    Skin Contact Acute overexposure: Prolonged but constant contact with liquid may cause a mild dermatitis. Chronic overexposure: Mild to severe dermatitis.

    Saccharin is listed by the EPA in RCRA (40 CFR) as a hazardous waste, but people consume it everyday with no problems.

    I didn’t see anything in that technical bulletin you linked to at the EPA that said anything related to the hazards you list in your message.

    Here is an MSD sheet for 2-butoxyethanol

    Reports “moderate” health effects and goes on to say: Environmental Fate:
    When released into water, this material is not expected to evaporate significantly. When released into water, this material may biodegrade to a moderate extent. This material has an estimated bioconcentration factor (BCF) of less than 100. This material is not expected to significantly bioaccumulate. When released into the air, this material is expected to be readily degraded by reaction with photochemically produced hydroxyl radicals. When released into the air, this material is expected to have a half-life of less than 1 day.

    This is for pure 2-butoxyethanol.

    However, the claim of toxic rain due to Corexit 9500 seems a little far fetched. Makes good headlines and gets folks stirred up for sure.

    If you find an MSD sheet for Corexit 9500 that backs up your claims, post the link.


  37. Eowyn,

    First, I never said Corexit was harmless. What I am telling you is that to believe it’s going to cause “toxic rain” that will require any kind of evacuation is pretty far fetched.

    What I would like to see is some chemical analysis that indicates what the concentration of the Corexit is within the Gulf. Probably below detection limits due to dillution.

    You asked why the UK had banned Corexit…if you’d read the info contained in your link you’d know. According to US Rep Markey, it’s because lab tests found it to be harful to sealife that inhabits rocky shores. I grew up on the MS Coast and I have never seen any rocky shores down there or anywhere I have visited on the Gulf, at least in the US. Since it specifies rocky shores, I assume that sealife there is different from that found on sandy shores like we have on the Coast.

    Don’t get me wrong. This is all a terrible thing but I really hate folks get alarmed about something due to misinformation. Makes a good story…..


  38. The claims of a mass evacuation in the Gulf Coast are incorrect. Please visit the California Emergency Management Agency’s (Cal EMA) news blog at (or for additional info.


  39. Who gives a damn what Cal EMA says.. they are not on the gulf coast last time I looked.


  40. Steve,

    Thanks for the post, but I could not get your link to work. Based on the MSD Sheet I would agree that direct exposure to undiluted Corexit could cause problems; the MSD sheet says to wash it off if it comes into contact with your skin. If someone is spraying this stuff in a manner that it close enough to people or inhabited areas that there is a reasonable chance of direct or over-spray, then that clearly should not be happening.

    I originally posted mostly in reponse to the claims that we could end up with “toxic rain” as a result of the methane and Corexit since that is pretty far fetched and hardly the same as being directly sprayed with Corexit.

    As for the life exptency of the Valdiz cleanup workers, I’d have to know more about that to comment very much. For example, one site I found cotains the satement :

    There are others whom almost no one talks about, although unlike the birds, most of them are still alive. They are the people who scraped oil off the beaches, skimmed it off the top of the water, hosed it off rocks.* Workers who stood in the brown foam 18 hours a day, who came back to their sleeping barges with oil matted in their hair, ate sandwiches speckled with oil, steered boats through a brown hydrocarbon haze that looked like the smog from hell.

    After that summer, some found oil traces in their lungs, in their blood cells, in the fatty tissue of their buttocks. They got treated for headaches, nausea, chemical burns and breathing problems, and went home. But some never got well.

    LA Times
    November 5, 2001
    Times Staff Writer

    As a health/safety/hazmat professional that has worked or been in the response business I can assure you that if these descriptions are accurate then those workers were not wearing the proper personal protective equipment (PPE) for a clean-up and worked in a manner that violates a list of OSHA worker protection regulations. How that happened, I can’t say. I can’t say how many workers this description represents.



  41. Powerful blog entry. You definitely know what you are talking about here. Im so happy I was able to find this site. I look to see

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  42. I was deleting my emails from last year and was surprised at how relevant and irrelevant some of these emails now seem. Hopefully everyone realizes that the media was the real problem here.

    Many blessings….


    • Brad,

      True, our collective reaction to last year’s BP Gulf Oil disaster seemed overblown from the perspective of hindsight since the oil gush was contained and Gulf residents didn’t have to evacuate. That, however, doesn’t necessarily mean that reports of planned evacuation were fraudulent. If I were the federal government, specifically FEMA, it would be prudent to have such plans. Guess we’ll never really know….

      The good part of all this is that the disaster was contained and there was no mass evacuation. Alas, the same cannot be said about all the wildlife that suffered and died. 😦

      Blessings! 🙂


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