Why did the DHS just order 450 million rounds of .40 caliber ammunition?


DHS also has a bid out for 175 Million rounds of . 223 Rifle Ammo.

REQUIREMENT: The total requirement is to provide an estimated 33 million rounds of .223 Remington Caliber SD and 2 million rounds of .223 Remington Caliber EP ammunition in the base year and an estimated 33 million rounds of .223 Remington Caliber SD and 2 million rounds of .223 Remington Caliber EP ammunition in each of four option years in accordance with Attachment 2, Statement of Work for .223 Remington Caliber SD and .223 Remington Caliber EP Ammunition.


H/T Reader Doug.    This just gets better by the moment.

At this point, and coupled with Skippy’s new Executive Order “The Defense Production ActAll I can say is YIKES!!! Game on. :D

~Steve~———————————-  H/T  Joseph —————————


The Department of Homeland security has just executed an order for enough rounds of 40 caliber ammunition to kill every man, woman and child in the United States.

A shocking new defense contract entered by the Department of Homeland Security to secure a massive amount of ammunition, with the option for infinite supply and infinite delivery, raises the question of just what they are preparing for? Massive civil unrest? An invasion by a foreign power?

The order is to supply 450 million rounds of .40 caliber ammunition, which is more than one bullet for every single person in the United States.

The contract also comes with the additional caveat that the order is forward-looking, which means it can be revised upward or downward depending on a variety of factors, some of which also happen to contribute to civil unrest — including governmental spending, budgetary policies and economic conditions.

The Intel Hub alerts us about the contract:

ATK Awarded Contract to Supply 450 Million Rounds of .40 Caliber Ammunition to the Department of Homeland Security.

ATK has secured a major Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity deal to supply up to 450 million rounds of .40 caliber ammunition to the Department of Homeland Security.

The 1 year contract with four option years comes at a time when many Americans believe that DHS, along with certain aspects of the military, will soon turn their sights on the American people during some sort of martial law scenario.

“We are proud to extend our track record as the prime supplier of .40 caliber duty ammunition for DHS, ICE,” said Ron Johnson, the president of ATK’s Security and Sporting group,” reported a PR Newswire release.

The Department of Homeland Security has been extremely busy in the last few months.

Whether it be mastering their surveillance of social media, planning to build level 4 bio weapons labs in the middle of the country, defending Globalism, lying to Congress about their big brother policies, labeling people who believe in conspiracy theories as potential terrorists, or taking over cyber security, DHS seems to be actively working against the American people on every front.

Considering this, the fact that they are openly ordering millions more rounds of ammunition should at the very least give the American people pause.

As 2012 continues to move forward and the awakening of the sleeping giant that is the American people kicks into high gear, federal agencies seem hell bent to continue to gear up for a possible confrontation with the people of this once great country.

146 responses to “Why did the DHS just order 450 million rounds of .40 caliber ammunition?

  1. Government Health Care

  2. my guess,they couldn’t hit their ass with both hands. They cower from real men. Watch and see.

  3. No worries, folks, as I am sure this is just a mere coincidence.



    • Nothing with Skippy is a coincidence.

      Trying to remain calm and not fret for what their plans are for the future, should it get ugly closer to elections.

      • Remember that FDR said “There are no coincidences in politics.” Period, end of story. Coming from a master politico, we should believe that is a truth they all know and act upon.

  4. Homeland Security is mostly just a bunch of Butch Queers looking to get even with society. People like them find fault in everyone but themselves.

  5. Has anyone asked why? Seems to me it should go to the media and keep asking until an answer is given.

    After all, obama has to win the election somehow.

  6. What the HELL has this Country come to that a Government Department that deals with INTERNAL AFFAIRS finds it needful to acquire THAT MUCH AMMUNITION!?!?

    • Not what our founders intended.

    • Actually, Winston, the order was for twice as much, but the maker said it could only do this just now, check back in six months, if ya still need the stuff.
      Oh, and be sure to bring cash this time, as your credit line is over-extended.

    • Because we have allowed it. WE THE PEOPLE have the right and the OBLIGATION, per our own documents of freedom and liberty, to intercede and stop the madness when the gov’t that serves US, not the other way around, is not acting in OUR best interest.
      This has blatantly been the case here, time to wake up and watch: “THRIVE- What In The World Will It Take?” It is the most poweful and accurate documentary as to how we got here (no, you do not know hoe, trust me) and where we can be going with the infinite power of a universal collective consciousness. The full length documentary is on line and it is free. Be sure to watch the **entire** film and pass the word for others to see it. It is the only way we will get out of this mess. It **is** doable. God bless us all. Oooops, I hope that blessing didn’t offend anybody.

  7. Personally I’ll take my Springfield XP 45 acp over the .40 SW anytime. But then I can actually hit what I’m aiming at. . I was always taught never to start a fight, but to make sure I finished it. . If you’re on this site reading this article you have a pretty good idea what these scum are planning. . There are those who “know” something is up. We can direct and inform those, but there are some who will never “get it”. . “The price of freedom is eternal vigilance”!

  8. It’s not just pistol ammo. DHS is buying rifle ammo too, and is currently seeking a supplier for up to up to 175 million rounds of .223. Here’s the government posting:

  9. Government are completely treasonous criminals. They bought these for the stupid amerikkan sheeple when the sheeple find out about Planet X that theyve been hiding with the chemtrails sprayed everyday globally for the past five years.

  10. odd?
    I am sure I read about TWO years back theyd ordered so much ammo that usa shelves and suppliers were out of specific calibre ammo, and it was a variety that was meant to shatter and stop with one bullet.
    they need more???

  11. It’s pistol ammo for street level, close quarter engagement – maybe to equip Obama’s “…civilian security force, just as well funded as the military.”

    • Are we sure it’s .223 Remington? Gov’t AR-15/M-16 variants are chambered for 5.56 NATO, have been since before I was born… so much so that 5.56 NATO chambering has outsold .223 Remington on the civilian market for decades. .223 Remington can be shot in 5.56 NATO weapons (but not the reverse in Colt products) though it’ll lose accuracy (5.56 NATO has a larger bullet and longer headspace in the chamber).

      Also, FBI current carry weapon is the Glock in .40 S&W (9mm or .45 possible, too)… but that’s Justice. After .357 and .45, 9mm is the most common weapon (mostly M9 Beretta and M11/P228 Sig). So what kind of .40 and .223 Remington iron is DHS buying to feed with this stuff… don’t they have any sense about ammo commonality? (Probably not– liberals don’t know about guns except what gun-controllers tout as “man-stoppers”… which .40 and .223 Remington were called 30 years ago.)

      Of course, DHS may be buying all that to arm TSA… which would figure. :\

      • Or DHS buying it to keep off the market for us regular folk?

        • DCG-
          That’s the first thought that went thru my mind too!

          I heard on the radio this afternoon, ohhhh….the guy in charge of the Fast and Furious, you know the one w/the itty bitty mustache, say that he would like to start “brainwashing” ppl into believing guns are bad. I wish I could quote it exactly, but He DANG SURE SAID BRAINWASH. I’ll find the exact quote. It was on a Christian Radio station.

          • Miranda, see my post yesterday, “How do I say this politely?”. Yep, Holder wants to brainwash our youth…as all commies love to do. But we got a message for him :)

            • HAHAHAHAHAHA! Sorry! No I have been gone a couple of days! Well at least I didn’t make it up! LOL!

              Oopsie Daisy! Well don’t I feel stupid! :)
              ( The engine’s runnin’ but nobody’s driving!)

            • Government official saying “brainwash” about the citizenry isn’t encouraging.

      • Qualifying on the range is usually FMJ… cheaper rounds, lots of basic shooting practice, etc. Live-fire exercises in a shoothouse would probably use hollowpoints (unless they did that too much and/or someone thought it was just too expensive anyway).

        Ruger Mini-14s? Might be. But, then again, they might get Colt weapons in .223 Remington because they’re cheaper, more “civilian” or whatever then proceed to put lots of G.I. SS109/M855 5.56 NATO through them. (Fragmented bureaucracy and civilians who’ve never handled a weapon therein can generate lots “requirements” that don’t have to fit anything else and waste $$$.) Mini-14s (just like the A-team) would be more civilian yet but unsupported by anything military gov’t would insist upon using (already being bought, on-hand, etc.) to do so and cost more $$$.

      • Unless the AR is specifically chambered in 5.56, as is mine.

  12. Evidently, persons of high position in the U.S. Government own the controlling shares of stock in the Chinese corporation that is manufacturing this .40 Caliber ammunition. China has most of the contracts for the manufacture of US ammunition (Contracts issued by the Clintong Administration). Check with the United States Rock Island Armory.

    The Catalytic Converter was made mandatory equipment for all California automobiles quickly……………………After the patent rights were bought by…….Democrat Governor……………..Cha ching!

  13. Clue: How far can one get on an empty gas tank? Same analogy: What good is a weapon if we can’t get ammo? I read someplace few weeks ago that the commies in office are going to control the ammo if they can’t take the guns. Looks like it has begun. Spoke to a sales person at a local Wal-Mart, said he can’t keep .223 cal in stock and can only order four boxes at a time, and, the warehouse was empty when he checked. Something evil this way comes…..if one event happens it’s an incident; if two or more things are happening it’s an event; if multiple events are happening, it’s a plan. Events in America are occuring today at a rapid (unbelievable) pace. Unsettling! Not a time for sleeping. Just as a dog can sense a coming storm in the distance, I sense that the earth is sending out strong vibrational warnings to us. I believe the entire world senses that something evil approaches. Sorry, didn’t mean to sound so dramatic. Just a gut feeling. Hope I’m wrong.

  14. JG
    I don’t think you are being dramatic. The collection of ammunition on top of the Executive Order seems ominous because it is ominous. I fear for our little ones.

  15. The contractor has close relatives/friends in DHS, and now will get rich from the crony-contract.

  16. Thank goodness I went out last year and bought 700 million rounds!

  17. coup d’etat i don’t think obama wants to leave if he loses the november election.. and he’ s hoarding as much ammuntion as possible to kill anyone who disagrees with him

    • That happened in Ivory Coast… took the UN and France kicking butt (well, France shaming the UN into it) to remove the sore loser. Libs tend to be sore losers… and the UN tends to like them, unfortunately.

  18. An order this big by a government agency does more than just give me “pause”, as the article suggests. I take it as a , in-your-face heads-up. If it was meant to be another of the “resistance is futile” programs; it failed miserably. It stiffened my spine to resist tyranny more than ever. Not to resist is morally unacceptable. No quarter asked, none given!

  19. It’s about time all you fat self-righteous American slobs got culled. You are utterly disgusting.

    • Who are you calling fat? Betcha my BMI is better than yours.

      Your IP address says you’re in or near Ely, UK. According to the BBC, 60.8% of adults and 31.1% of children in the UK are overweight; 22% of men and 24% of women in England are not just overweight, they’re obese. You disgusting UK pig.

    • Yes, many Americans are overweight because they trusted our government and all of it’s agencies to protect us.
      My dr. called me skinny and my BMI gives me lower insurance premium.
      Only little minds put all people in one country in the same box. That’s called ignorance.

    • Have a blessed day!

    • Oh hello Rupert, you just knocked me off my self-righteous pedestal with that snappy quip… snark…

    • Harald Sigurdson

      Yes, Rupert Pussy Cat. Some might be culled. Their relatives will be really angry! Fat? Probably not for long after that happens. Slogging up and down mountain trails really gets you lean and mean. And really grouchy! Helvete!

      You should read a book called Albion’s Seed: Four British Folkways in America. Start with the chapter on the “Borderlands to the Backwoods” and see if you know anyone that would like to rumble with those guys!

      You sound pretty self-righteous yourself. What’s your agenda and who are you with? Where are you? Hey, in turkish you might be called Rupert Kaplan. Don’t eat too much humus and falafel, you might get too fat yourself. You already satisfy the other part for sure! And you don’t need the humus for flatulence, that’s for sure! Ha det bra! Que voce gana o que voce merece! Hate logo!

    • Don’t mind this British slob. He is merely letting his jealousy for the American way of life overload his ignorant mind, and it has caused his mouth to spew out evidence of his low I.Q.

    • Rupert, baby, what’s there not to love? What’s the matter–get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? Or, do you bear a grudge about what our good ole American spirit showed you English when we kicked your butts out of our Country ! You need to learn a lesson in manners, dear fellow. Nothing is more pathetic than one who show’s their ass in public like you are doing. Please be a good little slug and crawl back under the rock.

    • HAHAHAHAHA! That is the second time on here that a liberal leftist has called me “Fat”! Is that really all y’all have for insults? Come on, Tell ya what, go get the book “ComeBacks for Dummies” and then maybe try again…..cause that is just sad! (LOL)

  20. Richard Burgeson

    They won’t keep control of all that ammo. How much is for the cartels? How much are we going to get on the streets? Are we going to get it by capture?

  21. My first thought, like JG, is that the govt is trying to make ammo scarce. This drives up the price and makes it hard to get. You can use your pistol as a throwing rock or your rifle as a club once you can’t get ammo.

    Reloading equipment anyone, or is that controlled now, too???

  22. Harald Sigurdson

    Hey, it might behoove one to own a .40 handgun and an ar-15. There might be some extra ammunition lying around. Federal government is infamous for inneficiency and incompetence. Those bozos will probably misplace ammunition.

    • They are definitely wasteful to say the least. I just finished building myself an AR-15, and I made sure the barrel was chambered to 5.56 NATO so I could use government rounds if shit hits the fan. Maybe I should invest in a .40 caliber pistol as well?

  23. Harald Sigurdson

    Did any of you ever learn about the Goths, the real Goths, early Swedish Vikings who had migrated to Ukraine and the lower Danube? I read that they sought refuge from the Huns along the Roman side of the Danube frontier. The corrupt Roman officials immediately began praying upon them. They denied them food and demanded their children as slaves. They had mostly disarmed the already poor refugees.

    Well, the Goths said I’m mad as hell and I’m not going to take it anymore! Fan i helvete! They broke away and started foraging for themselves throughout the Balkans. Pretty soon, they were well-armed and fed.

    Well, the Romans said, “There are terrorists stealing food and weapons and gold throughout the Balkans, but fear not, the glorious and invincible Emperor will lead an army against them.”

    To make a long story short, the Goths defeated the Romans at the battle of Adrianople.

    Once a group of Frankish raiders were stranded in the Black Sea area. They needed to get home to Northwestern Gaul. Those crazy Franks stole a Roman fleet and sailed it home! Imagine the gall of doing that to get back to Gaul.

    Now in America there were a bunch of crazy Indians called Apache. The government put those mountain people in reservations in poor parts of the desert and disarmed them. Then that crazy Apache named Geronimo broke away with some followers. They seemed to have escaped and caused some consternation among the Americans and Mexicans somehow. Of course they had been disarmed. Go figure.

    The moral of the story, vote the buggers out!

  24. The sooner you guys do what you have got to do .. the better for the whole world we are sick and tired of yankee grunts pissing on dead bodies .. go home yank and sort your own shit out.

    • You have a blessed day Celt. Thanks for stopping by! You contributed so much here to this post, impressive!

    • Gosh, are all kiwis in Hamilton, Waikato, New Zealand, as gratuitously rude and offensive as you? To think I once actually thought I might move to NZ some day. NZ may be where Peter Jackson filmed Lord of the Rings, but if kiwis are like you, “Celt,” then sadly NZ is inhabited more by Orcs than Hobbits.

    • Maybe we will bring everybody home.

      Hope you are a fast learner, as I hear the Arabic language is a real bitch.


    • Harald Sigurdson

      Celt, you seem a little logic challenged here. It seems as if you are suffering from some sort of postprandial cerebral distension due to excessive flatulence of the cerebellum. Or is it permanent? The prognosis is not yet determined. The people on this site are for the most part American dissidents who do not agree with current policies (including wars in case you did not comprehend that part) and many probably do not agree with the policies of the previous administration, either. Many of us are Celts or Celtic-Germanic, too. Are you really a Celt?

      Anyway, a lot of us aren’t necessarily behind these foreign wars. But we do not want a bunch of foreigners pushed upon us at home, either. They drive wages down, unemployment and crime up, and the nanny state through the roof. They demand to tell us how to live our own lives. We’re tired of bossy foreigners trying to micromanage our lives. We’re mad as hell and we’re not going to take it anymore! Take care. I hope that someone helps you with that chronic cerebral edema!

    • You know Celt your post shows your ignorance as most Americans wish the morons in Washington would bring the troops home. The ignorant masses have managed to elect the biggest group of morons to ever step foot in Washington DC. Hopefully this will come to an end soon starting with Obama.

    • Celt, smelt——better watch what you wish for–!
      Regarding your snide little remark about Yankees–there has been far more good than bad. The incident you refer to by the way, is PALE in comparison to what those heathens have done to the bodies of our troops, you jackass. Remember, it’s us damn Yankees that are the first to show up, and the ones that give out the most supplies and $$$$$ whenever there is a disaster in the world. Even to people who hate us. Sometimes I wish we WOULD stay home & “sort our own shit out”–!

      • Harald Sigurdson

        You tell ‘im, Lilly! I also always wish that we would stay home and take care of some long overdue chores. Like taking care of the vermin.

        This world is full of critics who think that we are all behind every little thing that the government does and who do not have a clue about how things work here. They are also oblivious to the huge changes in how things work here.

        It is also full of jealous idiots. Foremost among the jealous idiots are the English speakers from the Commonwealth countries who’s ancestors did not have the guts to throw off royalist and collectivist tyranny and they are extremely offended that we had the gall to demand freedom and reject collectivist slavery. How dare we demand to be free! How dare we succeed economically and leave them in the dust!

        It is really quite astonishing and is a real stab in the back when the Aussies, Brits (real Brits not Pakis etc.), Canadians, and New Zealanders, with whom we have stood shoulder to shoulder on so many occasions and with whom we have fought many enemies, with whom we share so much culture and our language, even our ancestry in many cases, constantly attack us and display their ignorance of the challenges that we face and their jealousy of our previous success. I used to think that we were still allies (I do not mean the countries but the actual people) but I have grave doubts now. In my experience of other cultural groups, those of our language from other countries are the most hostile! They are jealous! I am disgusted to say the least! They are petty little brats!

        We will have to remedy our problems without any moral support from them. We as a people stand alone (the alliances of the organized crime syndicate are not ours and do not count). When we have cleaned house we needn’t bother with them or lend them a hand in any way. We will remember how those commonwealth wimps have treated us! Royalist lackeys! Collectivist crumbs! They are all a lot further down the road of collectivist panopticon nanny state police state voyeur tyranny than even we are. They wanted it! Then the idiots, who love collectivism, complain when they see the inevitable results of collectivism in the U.S. Real Americans have always rejected collectivism. Commonwealth weasels have always embraced it and shouted down freedom lovers. I am sick of those skunks attacking us! Helvete!

  25. Looks like we have a Troll Queer reading our posts. Piss on you Celtic Homo.

    • Harald Sigurdson

      Alright Rich Young! You stuck that fish fast! It was like a neutral drop out on the Flats and right to the finish line before the other guy even got out of neutral. That fish has a cognitive problem. Probably spends most of his time counting the lights on the ceiling! Way to go bro!

    • Harald Sigurdson

      Stuck a fish in the first period!

  26. Harald Sigurdson

    Steve, thanks for the interest. Be flexible and intuitive when you read what I write if you wish to understand it. Think outside the box!

  27. Harald Sigurdson

    P.S. Steve, again, thanks for the interest. I am above all saying, use your heads. I intend to use mine.

  28. Dr. Rockzo - The Rock n Roll Clown

    Regular American citizens have been buying both firearms and ammunition in record quantities for the past few years, with the last 1/4 of 2011 breaking all sorts of records. Thats a fact, civillians have been buying and hording ammo since before obama took office.

    The joke/spin is that since project gun runner/walker-fast and furious, arming of the cartels in Mexico, now theyre focused on getting some ammo to the gangbangers for all the guns they sent there…

  29. The satanic Cabal is staging their re enactment of the Alamo They are in panic mode. U can buy enough bullets for every brain casing in America , But delivery is another matter entirely, Especially if there is another round heading in the opposite direction with the same intent attached to it . More so if that round is being delivered from a soul fixated on the burning idea of Liberty or Death. I think despite it’s caliber it’s hitting power & accuracy will be greater. The American people have been given an incredibly desperate situation to deal with & those with an grain of sanity & clarity can see it would be foolish not to prepare for the coming storm. I hope & pray that it proves to be your finest hour, That you all mange to shine & not cower against the madness about to be unleashed upon you. We are watching all around the planet praying that the freedom promised in your constitution is once again realized for all mankind to aspire to. Remember Your military men & women give more money to Ron Paul than all the others put together ,as in all great dramas your allies may come from surprising directions all is not lost.Their energy is driven by fear for the idea of enslavement & control not love for an idea of freedom & liberty. They will fight amongst themselves just as much as with you GBU all

    • I live in Australia ,Our country is also creeping slowly into a police state position with many of the same technologies being applied to our day today lives. Our 9/11 event happened in 1996 when a false flag was conducted at Pt Arthur Tasmania where a supposed lone gunman with the intellectual age of a 14 year old Martin Bryant allegedly killed 30 plus people in a shooting spree. The end result was quickly passed gun laws stripping the people of easy access to guns and complete bans on anything much bigger than a 22. Leaving the population (like pre war Germany ) defenseless against it’s own government or outside threats. We are also a part of the same City of London Global criminal cartel as you guys. We are all starting to see the strings attached to the city of London pulling out destinies into the direction they desire.Down into hell. Mind you at the time PVC pipe & cap ends sold out all across the nation. There’s still a lot of gunmetal buried in the ground in Australia. Not everyone was asleep.god speed thanks for the feedback

      • Thanks for sharing with us, mash ! I think you are someone who gets it-that if the United States falls, the world is going to be in serious trouble. I am not saying that in the spirit of a “superiority complex” . I trust you understand what I mean by that. Those who are freedom-loving are going to need to stick together !

  30. Just what is Homeland Security doing that is so perverse and crooked that is making them so extremely paranoid? Soon the chimneys will be smoking again. The smell of death will pollute the entire hemisphere when all is in process. WORK WILL SET US FREE? God save us from Evil. This is surely a “Dark Age”.

  31. ROFLMAO .. well its a pity that you lot do not exhibit your responses to your Goverment in the same way .. you guys have the guns and all we have are the pitchforks and the torches.

    All your govt has done so far is to carry freedummy and democrappy to lots of nations that do not want you there… and slaughtered innocents by the hundreds of thousands .. and for what .. a two dollar gallon of gas? .. I have some good American friends so I know its not the people .. you are all belly aching and I will say it again you have got the guns .. bring your troops home and be patriotic yanks and sort your govt and the bunch that has your representatives by the balls.

    Get up off your asses and honour your Constitution and the rest of the world will follow .. sort your own shit out .. thats the way to win hearts and minds.

    • you may be trying to hand out some rough justice Celt but your actually leaving yourself in dishonor by rubbing people’s noses in it. It not clear whether you have empathy for their situation or contempt? If it’s contempt then why agitate the situation with counter productive attitudes, If not then don’t be afraid to show empathy for their situation no one will think your a poof for doing so, relax dude and show some respect , they already have a shitload of crud coming down the pipe right now without someone else taking a dump while they are shoveling.

    • When arguing with fools, don’t answer their foolish arguments, or you will become as foolish as they are. Proverbs 26:4

      I bid you farewell Celt. Enjoy your life in NZ. We will take care of own problems. Thank you for stopping by here.

    • Gee, it’s so nice of you to sit there, safe and cozy in NZ and pontificate to us how to run our lives. It’s easy to “quarterback” from in front of our TV.
      I ask you to reconsider your “safe and cozy” attitude for a minute and, perhaps, offer some CONSTRUCTIVE criticism.
      Consider this, not impossible, scenario:
      1. America goes to hell in a hand-basket with Martial Law and armed insurrection rampant
      2. Somebody in the Middle East, Russia, China or such, seeing America distracted decide to “deal with” long-time enemies – TERMINALLY – with nuclear weapons.
      3. Old treaties and alliances kick in and all hell breaks loose
      But, YOU’RE safe and cozy way down south of the debacle. Yes, from the INITIAL debacle but did you ever see the movie “On the Beach”? Yes, you ARE safe and cozy … for a while. But you are ABSOLUTELY ALONE! And the radiation WILL, eventually, reach even YOU!
      Granted, this is not likely but remember the quote that begins: “When Hitler came after the Jews I said nothing because I wasn’t a Jew …”. NZ and Australia have land and resources that could be coveted by unfriendlies, too

    • Celt, I hardly think we need lecturing from the likes of you.
      Please go play somewhere else, or go to bed -. You are a bore. (Yawn).

  32. Sounds like the Celt is tossing us some “WOOF COOKIES”.

  33. Grouchy .. we all have shit faced governments .. Problem for us is that what happens in the Whitehouse and the Pentagon today, happens here on the morrow .. And Grouchy I spent a number of years in the British Armed Forces .. ya know the sort of stuff .. Queen and Country .. and all that load of crap .. it is we the people that is doing it to each other. One does not need to be all seeing to see that.

    Go and read what your Marine General Bradley said .. and Grouchy weapons of mass destruction do not all come as a screaming ball of fire out of the sky .. they also come in the form of dollars.

    And what gives America the right to invade other Nations .. is it to protect your freedoms ? America since the revolution has never ever been in any danger of invasion .. so why all the paranoia ? Who is it beating the war drum for World War 3 ?

    The American Constitution was a source of hope for many nations around the world .. right at the moment it aint looking too good .. bring back John Wayne and save us all .. ;-)

  34. Why waste time with Celt? He just be tossing Woof Cookies to see who snaps em up.

  35. Bullet Alert!
    DHS has Americans working in it.
    If all the bullets are to kill Americans then, the Americans that work for DHS and their families, relatives, and friends ARE ALL AT RISK by this acquisition….WTF?

    Think about that all you G-men lurkers out there!

  36. Well spoken Steve .. just checking for signs of life lol .. yes it was somewhat rude .. guess I have been in so many forums where people are not even asleep at the wheel ..just sitting in bed watching the Goggle Box.

    It feels like things are so wound up those guitar strings are gonna sproing soon .. well when the American people start to march .. I think you are all going to be pleasantly surprised because most of the world is gonna march with you all .. keep that Constitution held High.

  37. Without looking too closely there are two very ‘unfriendly’ scenarios that could account for the massive stockpiling of ammo in government hands:
    1. Obama wins reelection
    He could (and probably would) consider he had a “mandate” (however that “victory” was achieved) that his policies were what the American people want and start cranking out Executive Orders himself and his underlings like Holder would commence rewriting, reinterpreting current laws and issue more and more oppressive edicts via the alphabet soup of Federal agencies. Any resistance to these edicts would be dealt with sternly – possibly as far as Martial Law – or worse!
    2. Obama looses
    He is STILL a nominal (lame duck) President until January 20th and he and his sycophants could, still, issue reams of Orders, regulations and such to continue to destroy America. AND his good buddies: Union goons, radical Muslims, La Raza, Black Panthers and all could begin a wave of terror in “protest to the stolen election” and, as President, he could, again, declare Martial Law – or worse – and still have HIS way!

  38. The US Coast Guard comes under DHS and they have drug interdiction responsibilities, port security and other missions that require the use of weapons. I would imagine they have significant ammunition requirements in maintaining weapons proficiency. I have never considered the Coast Guard as a threat to my liberty.

  39. Smoke will be a Great leveler too, they can’t hit you if they can’t see you, also what about drones.

  40. At first I thought this seemed like a lot of ammo. Then I watched our military during firefights on youtube. Evidentally it takes like 40 bazillion bullets to hit something.

  41. Best info is that DHS and ICE employee between 215,000 and 225,000 employees. Say 35% is my guess that would be gun slinging agents. If that be the case, 77,000 agents out of 220,000 employees would share 450 million bullets over 5 years, or 90 million bullets a year which comes to 1168 per agent per year.
    I plinck away 150 cartridges per outing about 20 times a year which adds up to 3000. Does that make me the real threat? (and no, I’m not your high school math teacher) You must make the shoe fit the horse, not the horse fit the shoe.

  42. The decline of the US is following the same blueprint as was well-presented in the documentary “In the Shadow of Hermes” and parallels the development of the so-called “bolshevik” revolution financed by Wall Street i.e. Jacob Schiff and the central banks. The new american parasite class seeks to consolidate their control over the remaining capital assets they don’t already completely control. The seizure of capital assets by the commies in Russia was the prelude to economic collpase (just like what is happening here) and the mass killing spree that took the lives of tens of millions. Has anybody heard from our effete, perverted, bootlicking congress lately. That’s right, you haven’t because the majority of congress is bought off or simply effete like the crybaby, milksop Boehner, impotent and irrelevant, not to mention Pelosi and Reid who are busy gorging themselves like pigs while tyrrany arrives on our doorstep by default. The mis-named patriot act and subsequent executive orders have supplanted the rule of congress and the constitution, the department of homeland security is the new cheka, state security organization and will gleefully murder the majority of american citizens or dispatch them to a new american gulag for the psychotic neocon masters. sadly even some of or traiterous supreme court justices feel the Constitution is no longer relevant. What rights Americans once had have been dismissed.

  43. That’s enough to kill a couple of thousand terrorists — if that many existed.

  44. Just gotta love you Steve !

  45. The US people are a “sleeping giant” ? Hilarious. More like a giant imbecile, just stuck on its back due to obesity

  46. You people really sound like a bunch of old farts trying to sound intelligent while you gang up on outsiders who dare cross you, all from the safety of your monitor. It’s embarrassing. The reality is this: Sitting around acting like a bunch of punks in an AOL chatroom isnt gonna get the job done. Turn off your computers now, the orderly will be around to push you into your rooms. You people really need to stop being such bloated wind bags. People might think all of us are like you. Get a grip.

    • Jimmy,

      You sound like someone who does project too much.I have no reason to post from the safety of my monitor. Did you see my response to Holder & his “brainwash” scheme? You want reality? You get a grip. Better yet, ask the family of the now deceased Agent Terry to get a grip. I’m sure Holder can address that…

    • Hey, Jimmy,

      If you don’t even know that FOTM is WordPress, not aol, then it’s you who’s an old flatulence. Put down that bong, get out of that dank basement, and actually go get a job.

    • Is that you, Mr. buzzsawkiller, again? How many times have we banned you, but you just keep comin’ back. You must love us! Bless you! :D

    • Jimmy,it is obvious your still wet behind the ears son. Get a few more miles on you then come back and we’ll talk. Meanwhile,I might add go sit and have a meaningful conversation with your grampa.

  47. While you guys are busy rending your garments and gnashing your teeth, you might also want to do some math. Virtually every Fed agency including the USCG uses the .40 as their duty sidearm.

    First, 450 million is the total over 5 years, on a 1 year contract with the option to extend 4 more years, So, no guarantee they’ll buy all 450 million to begin with.

    Second, 450 mil, divided by 5 years, divided by the 50,000 or so armed personnel in DHS, comes out to somewhat less than 2000 rounds/ year per armed individual. I’ve shot more than that on a good weekend. 175 mil of 223 gets spread even more thinly: 700 rounds per armed individual.

    Third, handgun ammunition isn’t exactly what you buy when stocking up to take over the world. Handguns are what you carry when you’re NOT expecting problems. They aren’t your primary weapon, and they aren’t what you’d actually be shooting in the event a whole bunch of shooting was actually required. So, you buy handguns and some ammo for them, but for serious work you buy long arms and lots more ammo.

    Fourth, trainees shoot thousands of rounds at FLETC, so they will shoot proportionally more of those totals and personnel in the field will shoot proportionally less.

    Fifth, while this is all being ordered by ONE DHS agency (ICE) it is common practice to consolidate procurement thru one agency rather than have the administrative overhead of each separate agency placing it’s own orders.

  48. It’s simple mathematics. If the munitions manufacturers are tied up trying to produce and deliver the quantites of these contract, there won’t be any available for the public. What is available will end up being priced so high that most folks won’t be able to afford it. It’s another “back-door” gun (ammo) control measure courtesy of the Obummer in chief and his #1 accomplice Nappylotano

  49. Oh, fer Christ’s sake. ATK produces over 6.5 BILLION rounds of ammunition per year across all their production facilities. 90 million rounds per year is a drop in the bucket.

    • Harald Sigurdson

      You mentioned that they could use it for training purposes but it was reported here that they are hollow points. Otherwise, you have a point.

      As for the gnashing of teeth and rending of garments. Well, we have a foreign usurper in the White House with an obviously and proven beyond a doubt fraudulent birth certificate and with a phoney social security number and who would not be eligible to be President even if his story were true. Both of his parents need to have been American citizens.

      Said usurper has reaffirmed, yet again, his claim that he is an omniscient dictator who has the right to kidnap, kill,and indefinitely detain American citizens without due process. He also claims the right to enslave Americans and steal energy, water, food, and other resources. This was a Friday executive order that he snuck in at the end of the week. The administration already claimed some of these rights and if that is not enough reason for rending & gnashing, this has been preceded by other totally and unquestionably unconstitutional legislation such as The Patriot Act (so-called by lying criminals), Military Commissions Act, the recent National Defense Authorization Act, and now the usurper’s executive order. People are tortured or sent to other countries (rendition) for the purpose of their torture and this is official policy! We have a so-called Justice Department that allows thugs armed with clubs to insult, intimidate, and drive voters away from the polling place, so long as the armed thugs are black and the victims are white. Holder proudly stated that the totalitarian thought crime Hate Crimes law will not protect whites, just everyone else! This is on the record and on video and is verifiable and I saw and heard it myself.

      The official story is that we were attacked by Arabs who received no aid whatsoever and coordinated from Afghan caves that whole complex operation AND turning airplanes simultaneously in the tiny areas that had no radar coverage even though all of the flights had been delayed at the last minute.


      I do not know if you are here in an official capacity or just on your own time and for your own interest. But I will reiterate: we have plenty of reason for tooth gnashing and rending of garments!

      I mentioned some real military patriots earlier. I would like to add another: General Smedley Butler. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4377.htm

      • Most law enforcement agencies train and qualify with the duty round rather than a substitute FMJ round.

        As for the rest, the Constitution says what it says not what you want it to say. I very seriously doubt you REALLY want the military deciding what is and is not Constitutional in the US, or enforcing laws or running people you don’t like out of home or office.

        Obama may NOT be a citizen, but nobody has proven it conclusively (tho I have my doubts myself), no one has made an adequate case in court and over half the population wants him to be President regardless.

        If you don’t want him to be President in 2012 you need to change the opinion of the people who elected him last time, and I don’t think foam-speckled rants are going to do that.

        Ranting about an innocuous contract that gives federal agents barely enough ammunition to keep proficient certainly won’t do it.

        • I’m not defending DHS at all. In fact, I don’t think it should exist.

          However for now it DOES exist and THIS particular contract is a non-issue. USBP, USGC, FPS, CBP, ICE… probably a dozen Fed LE agencies fall under the DHS banner now, and all the major ones besides USSS use .40S&W sidearms.

          We’re talking about POTENTIALLY 90 million rounds over five years, from a company that produces over 6.5 BILLION rounds per year. If they’re trying to “buy up” the supply, it’s going to take them a while at that rate.

        • Harald Sigurdson

          Again, you do make a lot of good points. If you look at my contributions to this site, you will see that my focus has not been a claim to an ominous nature of this purpose for these particular purchases. However, the whole direction of our government now has been leaps and bounds into absolute tyranny. That is extremely ominous. That you seem to be implying that this is not so and that the government is disregarding the Bill of Rights and other limits on its power in the Constitution IS ominous. Perhaps you are trying to protect a guilty conscience.

          Indeed, I have pointed out that the cup is not half empty but half full with regard to large ammunition contracts. Just as NATO coordinates the use of certain ammunition and weapons, so we can for example, use sidearms and rifles that will allow us to use any spare ammunition that might be around, and indeed, if factories have many contracts for large orders for certain type of ammunition, it might be a good idea to have a weapon that can fire that common ammunition.

          I know what the Bill of Rights and the Constitution in general says. Indeed, you are ascribing positions for me that I have not taken. I am well educated. I speak two foreign languages and I have 81 semester credits in the social sciences, mainly history. I have not interpreted for you so you have no basis for claiming that it does not say what I want it to say. I know what it says, what it means, and that is what I want it to say. I think that on the whole, it is an excellent guide to hold government to its contract with its citizens. Government is only legitimate if it keeps its contract to protect the God-given rights of its citizens. A government that abrogates those rights is an illegitimate government.

          There is only one thing that it does not say that it should say. It should say that those who blatantly and unconstitutionally deny citizens their rights should be punished severely. It would need to be much more specific, however, and not too broad.

          I once heard a D.A. explain that if a law is on the books but it has no penalty, it is not really illegal to break that law even though a state legislature, for example, might say, “it is illegal to practice promiscous group sex.” The legislature is just making a strong moral statement. This is just an example that is actually somewhat similar to a piece of legislation in one of our states. However, there is no penalty so promiscuous swingers really are not doing something illegal, according to that D.A. This is perhaps why W. famously insulted and disparaged The Constitution and therefore the American people.

          I was not asking for military action. I am not. I do not trust the American Military as far as I can thow it (I could probably throw a lot of it’s members about five feet but that is not a threat). I am not even sure who you are or who you work for. If you really are a tank soldier, I don’t know who”s tank soldier you are. For all I know, you are a former tank soldier who moved on to work for Tsayaret Golani and later went on to work for Mossad as a damage control on the internet psyops operative (look it up, there are such). I do not know about you.

          Back to the military comments. I am saying that on several occasions the U.S. military has completely violated the Posse Comitatus Act in the last twenty years and is still doing so. I am saying that most of the power structure in the U.S., police, military, legislative, executive, judicial is complicit in blatant, obvious, and gigantic crimes and violations of the U.S. Constitution and are indeed so brazen and contemptuous of the American Citizens (and their own relatives and progeny) that they have put us in a state of medieval barbarism in which we have even been denied the rights guaranteed by the Magna Carta! I am saying stop being complicit.

          You should read and watch Judge Andrew Napolitano, he makes a lot of good points about the Constitution. Indeed, it is absolutely obvious that any reasonable reading of the Constitution shows that the American (globalist, collectivist scum) power structure is light years away from confining itself to what is allowed under the Constitution. Anybody with even just an average IQ can see that. This does not require a genius. Of course complicit minions who want to assuage their conscience and criminals who knowingly commit crimes and deny us our God-given, if you will (or Natural, if you will not), rights, will not be able to see it. The apathetic scum who do not think that it matters will also not see it. But mark my words, those who support this are creating a Hell on Earth in which their descendants will suffer!

        • Harald Sigurdson

          P.S. I think that a very strong case has been made and it is obvious that felonies have been committed in faking the birth certificate, hiding that crime, and stealing another person’s social security number. A good starting point for research on the issue would be to read Devy Kidd on the subject. Then read Corsi. Then read their reference citations. I am glad to see that you are rational about the issue, however. For further background on Obama (and God knows much of it is hidden), I recommend Webster Griffin Tarpley’s two books on Obama. I do not agree with Tarpley’s socialism and attacks on libertarian-leaning people but he is an excellent researcher and writer and he has brought many crimes to light.

        • Harald Sigurdson

          P.P.S. I put a link to info about General Smedley Butler because he REFUSED to take part in a military coup. He refused to support a fascist tyranny!

        • Harald Sigurdson

          Actually, I suspect that your arrogant ASSumption that we do not understand the Constitution (your previous assumption that we do not know that Christ is a title is pretty arrogant and presumptuous, too) might indicate that you are at work here and you are a law enforcement officer or milit. int.or psyp psy warfare “person” monitoring and arguing on websites. Many law enforcement officers run into a lot of people talking about their rights who do not know what they are talking about. So, using canine logic, they assume that everyone that they come across does not know what they are talking about. Also, authoritarian personality types love their obsession with “expertism,” unless you are a recognized expert specialist in a field, you do do not have a right to an opinion or do not know what you are talking about, they “reason.”

          Do you also question Judge Andrew Napolitano’s bona fides for having the opinion that government has behaved quite unconstitutionally and continues to do so? Of course he was fired for speaking the truth. That is some evidence supporting my assertions of the prevalence of the fascist and fabian marxist attacks on freedom.

          Unfortunately, the Deliberate Dumbing Down has gone way too far, including the dumbing down of law enforcement officers and military personnel (they were already dumbed down in school and were chosen in the academies or training for their fascist attitudes). Indeed, it is documented, and there was a publised news story about the fact that AT LEAST ONE POLICE DEPARTMENT REJECTS RECRUITS IF THEY HAVE A VERY HIGH IQ!. They apparently prefer slightly above average intelligence but they eschew using candidates who are really quite bright and gifted or who are geniuses. http://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836

          Since you did not answer me about whether you are here professionally or not, I would say that there is a strong possibility that you are.

          Here is a link about the deliberate dumbing down. You can read the book for free.


          • True. New London, CT. Guy’s IQ they turned down was 125 (i.e., if you’re smarter than the average college student they expected you’d get tired of being a cop and quit on ‘em, taking your expensive training w/ you). Of course, that means the detectives (who must be beat cops for 3 years first), the leadership and eventually the chief will be no smarter than dumber college students (like Occupy Wall Street). Crooks, of course, have no intelligence limit. They just made New London a great place to be a crook.

            Sonya “Wise Latina” Sotomeyer was on the 2nd Circuit Court at the time it ruled that it wasn’t discrimination because the same standard was applied to everyone and anyone scoring too high would’ve been rejected, not just that guy (which, ironically, legalized the “bag test” in refusing to hire someone who’s darker than a brown paper bag if you refuse to hire everyone darker than the brown paper bag). Violated the 14th Amendment (equal protection under the law) but left/liberals don’t like the intelligent (except themselves) for having “too much” that can’t be redistributed and that guy couldn’t afford to take it to the Supreme Court.

    • It is possible to do so, and I did. Odin is rarely referred to as “Christ” so he probably doesn’t much care how I use the word… and the God of the Christians has plenty else to be mad at me about already.

      …oh, and “Christ” is a title, not a name but I doubt you know the history of Christianity well enough to realize that.

      Now, if we’re done with the ad hominem attacks perhaps we can address the matter at hand.

      There IS plenty to criticize the Obama administration for, and several administrations previous while you’re at it, but THIS isn’t one of them.

      Further, if a single one of you running around with your hair on fire had stopped for ONE SECOND and applied a smidgen of critical thinking you would have realize this is a non-issue.

      Obama wasn’t just elected by the idiots voting for him, he was elected by the idiots opposing him as well.

      • Oh tank soldier…you dare to question our resident Bible thumper sage’s knowledge of Christianity? Tsk, Tsk. No worries…sage shall set you straight on what sage knows about that subject :)

        As for trusting our military to follow the Constitution? You betcha I do!

      • “…oh, and “Christ” is a title, not a name but I doubt you know the history of Christianity well enough to realize that.”

        1. What an artless dodge. Be honest with us, supercilious ‘tanksoldier’: When you exclaimed “fer christ sake” you were NOT using “Christ” as a generic title, you were referring to Jesus Christ.

        2. As for your gratuitous insult to Sage, you have no idea whom you’re dealing with. But a look at her page on FOTM should give you an idea. You’re a fool.

        “Now, if we’re done with the ad hominem attacks”

        Sage’s polite request to you to refrain from blaspheming by using God’s name and title as your exclamation mark, is neither an attack nor is it ad hominem. You are a non-paying guest on Fellowship of the Minds. At least try to be courteous and observe our rules and etiquettes, if only just out of deference for your hosts.

        “Obama wasn’t just elected by the idiots voting for him, he was elected by the idiots opposing him as well.”

        Really? That makes you an idiot too. You also have a peculiar notion of what “elect” means — a definition unique only to Your Royal Pomposity.

        To conclude, you’ve been rude, condescending, the height of narcissistic grandiosity, and insulting to the writers and commenters of FOTM. You are no longer welcome here.

  50. I stand corrected…. And if it is a multi-year contract as well, then I’m the one with egg on my face….
    My fault for not reading all of the previous posts before adding my ‘not so worthy’ two cents.

  51. Harald Sigurdson

    I would like to address the claim made by British Commonwealth subjects here and at other sites that the U.S. drives their policies. No, you are absolutely wrong. Among other centers of power, Chatham House, the Royal Institute of International Affairs, sends marching orders to the Council on Foreign Relations and other organized crime and Fabian Marxist roundtables like the Trilateral Commission, among others. Bilderberg also does this. The U.S. lackeys and those in Australia, New Zealand and elsewhere force these policies on their minions. There are several such powerful and competing organized crime organizations who all want glabal (and they are globalist) centralized collectivist control.

  52. The government is trying to limit its citizens to small 10 round magazines for citizen guns, while an internal government security agency, DHS, is buying millions of rounds.
    In World War II, England desperately needed to get its citizens armed, when it feared an invasion by Germany. Unfortunately, England continues to disarm its citizens.
    When will we ever learn. When will we ee-ver learn!

  53. There are the conspiracy theorists going crazy again.

    What my educated guess is that since the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are winding down and there has been talk of the defense budget being cut dramatically, the military is trying to replenish a massive stockpile of ammunition. The more ammo they can get now, the longer their stockpile will last, and the easier it is to get it done without having to deal with future budget issues. While they still can get away with it, the dept. of homeland security is being used to fill up the armories.

    It’s well known that our military does this. At the beginning of Desert Storm (1990-91) our fighting men were issued ammo that was vintage from the Vietnam era (I know this because I had friends there who opened up cans that were dated 1970). That is because our military had massive stockpiles of the stuff. It’s much easier to respond quickly to a future threat (especially one that develops quickly) if you have the ammo sitting in warehouses ready to go at a moments notice. Plus if you are trying to be sneaky at the beginning of a conflict (for the element of surprise), it doesn’t make much sense start buying massive amounts of Ammo. Lake City Army Ammunition Plant (which is the largest supplier of US Military small arms ammunition) is ran by a publically traded company (Alliant Techsystems ATK on NYSE). So if all a foreign enemy has to do is watch the stock prices of military supply contractors to know when our military is on the move and planning something, the US Military would look pretty stupid.

    The DHS ordering 450 Million rounds of ammo isn’t that crazy when you consider the the above mentioned Lake City Army Ammunition Plant produced nearly 1.4 Billion (thats Billion with a B) rounds of ammo last year (and for many years before that).

    So, if you consider the fact that I know people in my own town that have 40,000 plus rounds of ammo in their private stockpiles, the government stockpiling that much doesn’t sound out of the ordinary at all.

    I feel sorry for those of you that can’t use deductive reasoning to look something instead of jumping into it with a conpiracist eye.

  54. Harald Sigurdson

    Hmm, mass production of standardized rounds…sounds like we could take advantage of that.

  55. Harald Sigurdson

    ANY ammunition going to a mafia is bad news.

  56. Harald Sigurdson

    Well, how about this. The govt. is telling ammo dealers not to sell to vendors and the U.S. public. Is that ominous? http://www.federaljack.com/?p=173952
    Methinks tank soldier doth protest too much!

    • Why would vendors comply w/govt on this? Ominous indeed….stock up!

    • Harald,

      Some of the comments on that link say otherwise:

      Steve Clemens says:
      March 21, 2012 at 11:44 am

      Strange, I just checked all the suppliers I deal with and they have plenty of .556 ammo. This is a repeat of the Obama is going to ban gun c rap of the 2008 election.

      Bert Gummer says:
      March 21, 2012 at 2:30 pm

      I’ve done some checking with actual manufacturers. They concur with the devaluation of the dollar as the price increase, but they’re running their manufacturing lines at full capacity. They have noted a increase in demand from foreign countries that meet the State Department’s export policies. Going to the source of this article, I conclude there is a seed planted that would result in “panic buys”, thus driving the market pricing & supply.
      I recently went to my local “Wally World”. They had the Federal Penetrator Ammo 420 rds cans for a flat $150. 15 cans were on the shelf. Not a bad buy at the time. I didn’t have the cash with me, but returned the next day to buy a can of “blasting” ammo. No good. Some fella from California bought all 15 cans. The clerk informed me that this fella was taking it back home and retailing it for $275 a can! The profit he’d make would pay for his trip. So one can see that some of the State & Local laws are driving the pricing & demand, plus the slew of “Patriot for Profit” types that are carpetbagging around. We have these War Profiteer POS around for every conflict, perceived or actual. Their time will come, albeit, belated. Nothing wrong in making profit, but bankrupting a cause or a person is nothing more than Treason or murder. Crimes that should be dealt with harshly, IMO.

      • Harald Sigurdson

        Maybe it hasn’t affected availability or maybe it hasn’t in some locales. That’s great! I just quickly skimmed the article. I had read an article some time previously in which it was claimed that government officials had tried to prevent gun or ammo sales to the public from legitimate dealers, perhaps connected to the “Fast and Furious” operation and scandal and I didn’t think that I needed to read all of this article. It is said that the devaluation of the dollar and commodities traders cause the price of oil to rise, too. These are smaller time traders but they are a factor.

        Some have claimed that the “Fast and Furious” operation was an operation designed to attack 2nd Ammendment Rights. There apparently is evidence of that. It is certainly important for us to be vigilant about such things. Especially when State governments have been involved in limiting purchases of ammo by law or have attempted to do so. Even if some of these purchases are routine, it is important to be vigilant and also to remember that the cup is half full even when the govt. is making extraordinary purchases. Of course a routine purchase on the part of a bloated and overbearing and huge federal law enforcement and domestic surveillance apparatus is not a good thing. DHS is not a good thing. Carpetbaggers are a pain. We have all kinds of carpetbaggers where I live.

      • Harald Sigurdson

        Yes, now I have read the story more thoroughly. I didn’t read the comments the first time and I skimmed it. I do remember having read about federal agents trying to block ammo and gun sales particularly along the border areas but also elsewhere and some of it was connected to Fast and Furious, I believe. I read so many news articles on such subjects that it is hard to remember all of the details. I have articles archived, though.

  57. Harald Sigurdson

    I know a blond who is a genius. You might be onto something there:)

    Researchers have discovered all kinds of connections between coloring and cognitive and emotional factors and other, seemingly unrelated factors, in animals and humans.

    “I cannot imagine the idiocy of this set-up~! ” You are onto something there, too! Idiots do not want to have to supervise geniuses. It makes them very angry.

    Apparently, the police departments prefer just slightly above average, this is enough to help them do the job. I would guess that anyone above that might be a threat due to their ability to analyze and expose the hypocrisy, criminal behavior, and incompetence that is so common in many departments and in public policy in general nowadays. There have been a lot of warnings about this type of thing in the distopian science fiction of some of the great writers and in the writings of many current elitists who advocate a dumbed down public. Of course a control freak does not want his lackeys to be as intelligent or more intelligent than he is. Consider this: Would you like to raise cattle with an IQ of 160? Maybe more apropos: If you were a rancher, would you want a cutting horse with an IQ of 160 who could talk? I guess he would be a sort of Mister Ed:)

    In fact, elitist machinations to prevent competition are well documented. John D. Rockefeller said “Competition is a sin.” This shows elitist attempts to prevent honest competition and to keep truly competent people from competing them (those already in power). It also demonstrates that corporatists and corporations are opposed to and are at odds with a free market, competition, and rewarding and empowering the most competent people. Corporations and free markets are at odds with each other. Rockefeller also said, “Good leadership consists of showing average people how to do the work of superior people.” This could be interpreted in the less inspiring context which we are discussing instead of the conclusion that he was an inspirational leader like Vince Lombardy, especially in the light of his statement on competition.

    The higher ranks probably feel threatened by officers who are much more intelligent than they are and personality tests have shown that frequently police officers are people who crave control and in fact many have scores that are quite similar to convicts in the Penn. This would explain the reaction that many of them have when dealing with a really intelligent member of the public. They go into a rage. They feel inadequate.

    I know that in the academies they claim that they do not work for the public and they ridicule members of the public who say that they do. They have absolute contempt for the public.

    My purpose is not to ridicule people of lower intelligence. In a way it is just the luck of the draw and one’s circumstances in life that create some of these hardships. Obviously gifted people face discrimination, fear, jealousy and vindictiveness, often. I do oppose some of the heavy-handed control freak attitudes in which people are treated like cattle and I think that this kind of policy is based on the mentality of managing people as a herd of domesticated animals. These policies are cultivated from the top down. From the very top of the pyramid.

  58. The Department of Homeland Security is getting ready for a little target practice.

  59. With the recently passed and signed into law, NDAA, the attempted SOPA & PIPA legislation as well as the FAA order to allocate civilian airspace to unmanned drones and now the goons at the DHS ordering approximately 1-1/3 rounds of .40 caliber pistol ammo per inhabitant of the United States, the aim of our central government is clear. With American citizens gunning up at record rates and buying ammo by the pallet load, the thugs at the DHS, who have previously been content to grope us at the airport are preparing for the widespread failure of civil authority and wholesale civil disobedience. In short, they know they’re in for a fight. The Supreme Court will announce its decision on the Affordable Care Act by the end of June; just about the time the presidential race is heating up in earnest. I look for our central government to do all it can to provoke a rebellion so that it can declare a state of martial law and further suspend what little is left of habeas corpus and the balance of our civil rights not destroyed by that treasonous piece of legislative detritus, The USA PATRIOT Act.

  60. Oh Come on here everyone knows when you buy in bulk you get a better price! I figured they were just watching out for us taxpayers.

  61. Regarding the DHS ammunition stockpiling… Here’s an excerpt from Sir Patrick Henry’s famous “Give me liberty or give me death speech”… “Suffer not yourselves to be betrayed with a kiss. Ask yourselves how this gracious reception of our petition comports with those warlike preparations which cover our waters and darken our land. Are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled that force must be called in to win back our love? Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation; the last arguments to which kings resort. I ask gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motive for it? Has Great Britain any enemy, in this quarter of the world, to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies? No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us: they can be meant for no other.”

  62. videriquamesse

    You know why the DHS has bought 450 million rounds of .40 caliber pistol ammunition, which amounts to roughly 1-1/2 rounds for every man, woman and child in the U S, and so do I. They know that the American people are incensed over what we’ve allowed to happen with what used to be a central government. They know that we are well armed and some of us are very well trained in the use of weapons and military tactics. They know that we’re about one metaphorical inch from taking up arms against a government that has become destructive of its stated ends, and now exists only to serve the self interests of those politicians in power in that cesspool of crony capitalism and corruption, the U. S. Congress and the corporations and unions to whom they’ve sold their votes and their souls for campaign contributions. They know that they’re likely going to be called upon to risk their lives against the lives of their own countrymen when, not if the revolution begins.

  63. Shouldn’t we have the right to know why they spent our tax money on so much ammo….unnecessarily? So much for transparent govt NObama promised when he said “change was coming to the American people”. What he meant was a change to Socialism….

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