Obamacare’s Neurosurgical Death Panel for Americans 70 and over?

Yes, Virginia. There really are Obamacare death panels.

In 2009, in the lead up to the Democrat-controlled Congress’ approval of Obamacare, aka the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA) , Sarah Palin was ridiculed by the media for her warning that the bill’s passage would mean the imposition of “death panels” on Americans.

It turns out she was right.

On November 22, 2011, a neurosurgeon who calls himself “Jeff from Chicago, Illinois” called into Mark Levin’s radio show with startling information. Under Obamacare, patients who are 70 years old or older are to only receive “comfort care” instead of neurosurgery.

This is what Jeff said:

He had just returned from a seminar in Washington, D.C., (I believe Jeff was referring to the annual meeting of the Congress of Neurological Surgeons, held in Washington, D.C., October 1-6, 2011), wherein he and other neurosurgeons were provided a document by HHS (U.S. Department of Health and Human Services) on what Obama’s health care (PPACA) means for neuro-patients aged 70 and over. The document is Obama’s new Health Care Plan for Advanced Neurosurgical Care, in which patients are now depersonalized by being called “units”.

In Jeff’s words: “If you’re over 70 and come into Emergency Care for neurological reasons,” e.g., a brain aneurysm or bleeding in their brain, and you’ve covered by Obamacare, “advanced neurosurgical care is generally not indicated” — you get just “comfort care.”

The decision to undertake neurosurgery or not will be made by an Ethics Panel, comprised not of neurosurgeons but of administrators with no medical training. The withholding of neurosurgery to older patients units is prompted by two factors:

  1. Neurosurgery is the smallest field in medicine.
  2. Neurosurgery is the most expensive of all surgeries.

This information presently is not published somewhere for citizens such as you and I to get hold of and read, but is discussed only within the neurosurgeons community — the American Association of Neurological Surgeons and the Congress of Neurological Surgeons. Mark Levin remarked that this information likely will be made available to the public after the November 2012 elections.

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H/t my dear friend Barbara.

UPDATE:

The American Association of Neurological Surgeons has issued a statement disavowing Jeff’s claim that there is such a document denying advanced neurosurgery for patients over 70 years old. Here’s the statement, but note the carefully parsed language: “The AANS and CNS are unaware of…”):

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Contact: Alison Dye
January 10, 2012 (202) 446-2028
adye@neurosurgery.org

Neurosurgeons Condemn False Assertions Made About Health Reform Law on Mark Levin Show Refute Statements that the Law Would Ration Neurosurgical Care for the Elderly

Washington, DC – On November 22, 2011, an individual claiming to be a “brain surgeon” made several statements referencing neurosurgical care on a Mark Levin radio show segment. The American Association of Neurological Surgeons (AANS) and the Congress of Neurological Surgeons (CNS) reviewed this segment and found that it contained several factual inaccuracies which we wish to clarify.

The AANS and CNS are unaware of any federal government document directing that advanced neurosurgery for patients over 70 years of age will not be indicated and only supportive care treatment will be provided. Furthermore, in conducting our own due diligence, the caller who identified himself as a brain surgeon is not actually a neurosurgeon, nor was there any session at the recent Congress of Neurological Surgeons’ scientific meeting in Washington, DC at which a purported government document calling for the rationing of neurosurgical care was discussed.

Neurosurgeons are committed to providing timely, compassionate, and state of the art treatment for all patients — regardless of age — who have neurosurgical conditions. As such, we have requested numerous times that this podcast be removed from Mark Levin’s website as it portrays inaccurate information which could potentially be harmful to the patients that we serve.

Notwithstanding the AANS/CNS denial, the plain truth is that for cost-effective reasons (health care costs mount in our older years), all government-run health care systems — euphemistically sugar-coatedly called “single-payer” — necessarily entail medical rationing, otherwise called death panels. There are two examples in America already: Arizona and Oregon.

As recounted by Wesley Smith for The Weekly Standard, Jan. 31, 2011, the Arizona legislature cut its Medicaid budget because the state is in dire financial straits—a move approved by the Obama administration. The cuts led to canceling Medicaid coverage for organ transplant surgeries, and the death of a potential organ recipient.

Then, there is “Oregon, a decidedly liberal state…. In 1993, the Clinton administration gave permission to the Oregon Health Plan, the state’s Medicaid program, to introduce rationing. The system involves a treatment schedule that lists 649 potentially covered procedures. The state pegs the number of procedures the state will cover to the available funds. Patients requiring procedures above the cutoff line are out of luck. As of October 2010, only the first 502 treatments were covered. But even that low number doesn’t tell the full story of rationing in Oregon. The Oregon Health Plan also rations covered procedures under certain circumstances. Chemotherapy, for instance, is not provided if it is deemed to have a 5 percent or less chance of extending the patient’s life for five years, meaning that a patient whose life might be extended a year or two with chemo may not receive it.”

Smith reminds us that both the Arizona and Oregon examples “resulted from a single-payer health care system crashing into a budgetary brick wall. The real lesson here is that ‘single payer’ and ‘death panels’ go together like ‘See’s’ and ‘candy.'”

And so, despite the AANS/CNS’s statement of denial, anyone with an average IQ knows that Obamacare does/will have rationing, which is another word for death panels.

~Eowyn

20 responses to “Obamacare’s Neurosurgical Death Panel for Americans 70 and over?

  1. Send it to your congressperson, too.

    -Dave

  2. Actually the whole interview is false. The AANS says there is no Dr by that name who attended any conference.
    They have asked Levine to pull the fake interview from his site and he refused (another sign of falsehood)
    Thsi can be checked through the AANS. None of the other facts can be checked at all.

    • How can the AANS verify “there is no Dr by that name” given the fact that the caller identified himself only as “Jeff”?

      As for “None of the other facts can be checked at all,” what are those “other facts”? The AANS and CNS have issued a joint statement, but note the carefully parsed language: “The AANS and CNS are unaware of any federal government document any federal government document directing that advanced neurosurgery for patients over 70 years of age will not be indicated and only supportive care treatment will be provided.”

      In any event, I appreciate you bringing this to my attention, and I have updated my post with the AANS-CNS statement.

  3. Sounds like Moochelle had her hand in this…she’s good at patient dumping schemes and hiding the truth.

  4. The Obamacare Bill was modelled on the Hitler T4 health system, upon which the Brits NICE health care system is based too. It is one of the impeachable offenses committed by our president, to have signed this bill into law. Rahm Emanuel’s brother worked hard to get this bill through, and he is an advocate for genocide. What a crew! Even Daley couldn’t stomach it.

  5. Of course no one will own up to the “guidance”… the unqualified administrators would likely be Demo-rat appointees and/or bureaucrats (or donors).

    • We have had death panels for years.
      They are called Insurance companies.
      Working in a hospital I see refusals for treatment every day.
      Only the very rich get the great medical care our nation can provide.

      • I don’t know which hospital you work in or what insurance companies you’re referring to. But my husband was twice hospitalized — the first, from a “silent” heart attack, followed by quadruple by-pass heart surgery; the second, from an extremely high level of potassium (from his hi-pressure med Lisinopril) — and received nothing less than excellent care, through his university health plan. We are most certainly not “the very rich.”

        Furthermore, you want it both ways. In your first comment on this thread, you derided the story related by “Jeff, the neurosurgeon” to Mark Levin — that Obamacare refuses neurosurgery for elderly patients, oops, units — as untrue. Then, in your second comment on this thread, you say “we have had death panels for years. They are called insurance companies” — a claim that I and my husband can personally testify is NOT true.

        So your overall message is: Government & socialism good! Private insurance & capitalism bad!

        It’s the same old Marxist snake-oil, except you’re not even up-front about it.

      • I work in a public hospital and the medicines I am referring to were refused by the insurance company (aka present day death panel) almost 50% of our people don’t even have health insurance so they only get the options of what is available through ER services. Very limited.

        • My post is on whether there’s an Obamacare death panel for neurosurgery for patients 70 and over. This is not a post or thread revisiting Obamacare, or socialized medicine. Stop hi-jacking my post!

  6. Years ago on PBS I saw a medical ethics discussion by a panel of doctors. They were debating the cost benefit weighed against quality of life for neo-natal care for premature babies. The eventual conclusion was that intensive neo-natal care is prohibitively expensive and the dollars should be allocated to other medical services that gave a better quality of life result. Basically, more bang for the buck.

  7. Yes, insurance companies have “rationed” care but you have the option to fire them and get insurance elsewhere or sue them for not fullfilling the contract – ever try firing or sueing the federal government? Your childrens’ children wouldn’t see the end of it. Yeah, healthcare is more expensive than 20 years ago but we are getting so much more in tech, drugs, etc… Unless, you would want to give that up, i.e., if you (or your child) contract cancer, stick with the treatment of 20 years ago – happy with that? And with the system Mr. Obama has got for us, fewer advancements will be made and treatments will only be for the favored classes. We are killing and eating the golden goose and too greedy and too stupid to realize it. How did we get to the highest standard of living in the world? Maybe we should trust that system – it is not the neatest, nicest system all the time but it put us in the position of feeding alot of the world, developing medical tech/drugs, and technology that is still leading the world.

  8. Your follow-up is fantastic. Basically, you say that “even though the above assersions are wrong, they are still right.” Awesome. This blog is amazing.

    • Thanks for your sarcasm! But you need to be more nuanced in your thinking.

      Actually, what I was really implying (not saying) is that despite the AANS’s denial, common sense and existing precedents of medical rationing (which I cited in my post) give us reasons to believe in what “Jeff” claimed in his call to Mark Levin.

      Events in the future will prove who’s right. And if I’m right, will you have the honesty and integrity to return here and admit you’re wrong?

  9. Kenneth Sandvoss R.Ph.

    I believe the neurosurgeon community is covering their ass and Jeff is who he says he is. By the time this old baby boomer has a stroke and gets refused surgery or clot busters..I’ll be history.

  10. You’re really well-informed. I talking expect how much of this I fair wasn’t sensible of. Thank you for transportation more accumulation to this theme for me.

    James Makker MD

    • How does an M.D. manage to write like an illiterate? I don’t mean to be rude, but your patients really should get a 2nd opinion and get another doctor.

  11. I think every American should watch this film.
    Ok, this is worth every MINUTE (ONLY 4) to watch this! THIS HITS IT OUT OF THE BALL PARK ! AND IT ONLY has HAD 24,048 views

    It was taken inside Congress with a Congressman.. YOU HAVE TO WATCH THIS and YOU MUST PASS THIS ON!!! THIS IS IMPERATIVE EVERYONE SEE THIS!! IT WAS TAKEN OFF THE VIDEO TAPES OF THE FLOOR OF OUR NATIONAL LEGISLATURE. PLEASE GET THIS OUT TO EVERYONE!!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=G44NCvNDLfc

  12. http://factcheck.org/2012/01/neurological-death-panels/

    Please stop spreading such obvious lies and hoaxes

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